Collectors' Corner (Trainspotters need only apply)

Obviously a forum like this is littered with obsessive collectors.. Being somewhat isolated from other trainspotter types, I was wondering what kind of NewOrder collections everyone else harbours.. For instance:

1. How many items (unique) are in your collections, approx?

2. What kind of collection do you have- ie are you anti-bootlegs, do you collect all formats, is it still an active collection, etc.

3. What are the rarest or most valuable items you own?

4. What kind of items are you still looking for?

5. What are your best sources of rarities these days?

Post your answers here if you're interested!

Originally posted by depthcharge Obviously a forum like this is littered with obsessive collectors.. Being somewhat isolated from other trainspotter types, I was wondering what kind of NewOrder collections everyone else harbours.. For instance:1. How many items (unique) are in your collections, approx?2. What kind of collection do you have- ie are you anti-bootlegs, do you collect all formats, is it still an active collection, etc.3. What are the rarest or most valuable items you own?4. What kind of items are you still looking for?5. What are your best sources of rarities these days?Post your answers here if you're interested!

1. I have a blue monday 12" with the wrong labels
2. Vinyl and CD. No bootlegs. Mostly singles.
3. Rarest is my true faith remix 12" from 94 or 2x12" remix of world, or transmisson 7". Late at night is pretty rare too.
4. Run on any format and Procession coloured sleeves ( i have red and purple)
5. Internet, some record shops in Sheffield.

Let me clarify question 1:

How many items are there in your collection in total (not including duplicates)?

1.I don't know excactly how much. 2.I used to collect everything with a Factory records catalogue number, but since there are also things like an eggtimer! with a Fac number and even a building(i think the Hacienda) and the Fact that Factory no longer exists it has become hard to find new ones. And of course every NObootleg i can lay my hands on. 3. Dont know 4. Run,the Other Two cd 5. Internet.

DeathTrap...

(New Order)

Every 7" Single Every 12" Single Every VHS Video Every DVD Every CD ... that has been released legitimately i.e. as a commercial release (including the 'alternative' versions of standard 12"s).

Vast amount of rare products such as: approx. 12 'Everything's Evidently Gone Brown' varying coloured sleeves All 12" Ceremony coloured sleeve versions Run 2 12" approx. 7 Blue Monday's... some starting after the 1st beat!? some with covers that are black, but aren't in the shape of a floppy disk. 12" Alternative Confusions mixes (1990) New Order 12" Mega-mix (B-side has U2 mega-mix on).. mixed by P. Hook? Brotherhood Metallic Album version (and standard release) Substance on cassette New Order Live at Pier 84 in New York (12" Album 1986 - Brotherhood material) New Order Live at Glasgow S.E.C.C. (12: Album 1989 - Technique material) New Order/Echo and the BunnyMales/ Gene Loves Jezebel American promo 3 12" vinyl. (1987 True Faith tour) New Order Live in Australia (12" Vinyl - early eighties) New Order Live at Leeds Tiffanys (Cassette Album 1985 - Low-Life Tour - excellent) New Order Live at the Hacienda (Cassette Album 1984) New Order Live at Manchester G-Mex (Cassette Album 1988 - Technique Tour) Factory Records Gold Badge Several original posters (inc. Low-Life) Rare True Faith 12" (Qwest Import) The Perfect Kiss 12" (purple inner sleeve).

... well anyway you get the picture. Probably over 200 original pieces in absolutely immaculate condition.

No wonder it's all in the attic, Huntsy; that collection could easily take over your house.

However, now that I look at the list more carefully, "Every CD"?

??]Originally posted by Patrick However, now that I look at the list more carefully, "Every CD"?

Ha! Ha! Patty you had me thinking there a bit. Okay I'll lay my cards on the tabloid... 'every' CD except 'PC&L' and 'Mole Digger'. Obviously, being an avid collector these two are mere blips in the system hopefully remedied this coming Christmas by my best girl. That was funny that though Pat.

Patty the attic is indeed the only place in my house with space enough to store these, never fear, they are all in record boxes and each item is either in a pvc sleeve or in, literally, cotton wool. I do intend to frame the USA Mini-album (12") original at Chrimbo on a particularly proud part of my household... with any luck people may ask me about it. Perhaps that's wishful thinking. I could always ask myself about it and chuckle about the old days with much glee.

Its probably akin to a brag P... but I go into record fairs and laugh at the folk attempting to sell me NO relics. Pah! I think to myself, the 12" of State of our Nation... how dare you sir.

Fancy a copy of the Christmas Factory Flexi-disc with Ode to Joy on?... I've got 2!

Well, Huntsy-boy, I am impressed to the point of being slightly frightened. I myself own no vinyl, only CD's.

I just received in the mail today a copy of the Japanese Republic, acquired because it contains the two Sabres remixes of Regret, which as you well know is my favorite NO song of all time, apart from a few hundred others.

I've got Movement, Low-life, 1981-1982 EP, and Closer on vinyl, with the True Faith 7 inch and two JD boots also on vinyl (Le Terme and the Effenaar show). Other than that, I got most of the NO albums, the Heart and Soul Box Set, The Warsaw album (great boot leg with shots of Ian and Barney at a London gig), and the Paradiso gig and one of the Russel Club shows. I'd love to get some live shows circa 78-85, encompassing JD and early NO

Don't be frightened Patty. I find it difficult to believe someone would go out of their way to order Sabres Fat and Slow re-mixes of Regrettable Circumstances... total and utter dog do. The only credible version of R is the Fire on my back version by firey jack or the dub cretins or something. I do dig that version, actually I heard it before the original Republican release and fucking hell... well, that frightened me alright. It was only 'after' Republican came out I could play the fireball thing simply because I knew the soulful version was under my belts. Put the Jap. Republican item in your bottom drawer Patty and hope the snails get at it tonight.

T7 the 'early' live shows were the best... its been said before but that was the time they were true originators... unique music. I love to hear them attempting to get their sequencers going and sometimes they even play along with them (not very well). When I get my shit together in the New Year I'm going to bang most of my rare dollops onto CD's so if I'm still alive your welcome to a shot of some old gear. I think I've probably got the lot... which is nice.

Why I might even consider sharing some shit with P man... I know he loves his plaggy ornaments. You can sniff your CD's Pastruty.. I'll enhance the flavour of the room with the original vinyl.... aaahhhhh... that's good.

What live stuff do you have, Huntsy? Run down a list of the gigs, I'd be interested to know..

Well, Huntsy, I haven't heard the Sabertooth Tiger remixes, but you see I'm making every effort to improve my appreciation of Regrow Your Beard.

About my preference for CD's: as I've said before, I don't have a talent for keeping vinyl dustfree; you see I know my limitations.

Did I detect an offer to share somewhere in there, H? That would certainly be most appreciated.

Actually there are piles and piles of dusty non-NO vinyl being stored by me for somebody else in my basement. Sometimes I just go down and sniff.

I respectfully disagree about the slow and low remix of Regret. I think it's very stimulating aurally and we would all be better off if mr.weatherall would remix some new material from our heroes. as for my collection, I have all full lenghth albums on CD (PCL, LL, Technique, Brotherhood on vinyl too) thieves like us 12, BLT 12" x2, BM 12" x2, Murder, Shellshock, Subculture, Perfect Kiss, Fine Time, Round & Round...it's probably easier to list what i don't have.

I enjoy listening to boolegs and have padded my collection with the anthology from Lars. As well as the 60+ shows on offer thru him, i've collected 15 others thru trades.

I really want the first 3 12"'s (Ceremony, Procession, EGG) as for the rest, i have everything from neworder except the 81-82 ep (are the versions of any songs other than Temptation different? if not i have all that material too) and the new remixes of 60MPH and SLY (i'm in no hurry to get those duds)

Originally posted by Taboo # 7 What live stuff do you have, Huntsy? Run down a list of the gigs, I'd be interested to know..

... Off the top of my head:

Perth - Australia 1982 Hacienda - Manchester 1983 Hacienda - Manchester 1984 Various - 1984 Tiffany's - Leeds 1985 Various - 1985 New York (Pier 84) - 1986 Glasgow Barrowlands - 1986 Glastonbury 1987 Wembley Arena - 1987 USA Tour - 1987 G-Mex Festival - Machester 1988 Glasgow S.E.C.C. 1989 Various 1988-1989 Technique gigs

As I say, I'd need to check my loft for finer details. Most probably got about 50 gigs either on vinyl or cassette... some excellent quality, others a bit shit. New year will see them on CD if only for my own listening pleasure. Really, nothing beats listening to a gig you've forgotten about 20 years on.

Brian one day we'll agree about something, for now we'll yet again lock heads. The slo mixes are wank from my point of view... interesting that your in no rush to get the 60MPH re-mixes yet herald the slow-blo ones as good?.. incidentally Weatheral has more than likely found work behind a bar serving to cats by now.

Your collection seems mighty impressive... nothing beats the USA Mini-Album for ultimate rareity.... I've only ever seen it once (and I bought it), and I've been collecting since '84. The first 3 12" are easier to come by. I'll buy these on your behalf next time I see them and send them to you. The versions on the USA release of the USA album are the same... but the English vinyl is immense if only for the proper sized artwork.

Keep it up.

But unfortunately I did not receive today the new Sixty Bites per Minute CD's so I will have to wait til next week now.

Everything released on vinyl, plus CD copies when I was feeling a bit more flush. All the videos. No DVDs yet.

Around 500 bootleg tapes, including interviews, every JD gig that's available bar Mountford Hall, every NO gig between 1980 and 1989 plus a few since then. If anybody wants any, just holler !

I have a recording of the Stockholm Gig this sunday.

I wonder if the hacienda club christmasflexi is a rarity or not, I actually have it.

Huntsman-

Andrew Weatherall is still cutting edge. He currently focuses on glitchy/minimal house and techno and to hear him mix it is a lesson just like the glory days. I appreciate unique electronic music not dull dancefloor crap and i expect the 60MPH single and SLY will be dancefloor oriented. I never bought the ep because I saw it everywhere and never new it was rare. my friend had a copy and sold it to a second hand shop for $1. They used to have multiple copies at the WalMart near my house in rural louisiana. Fortunately, copies are floating about on the net with pricetags below $10 (US). I have the BLT 12" framed and the Shellshock 12" framed near my turntables but the 81-82 ep would make a nice addition. You don't smoke herb do you Huntsman? I think a little might make you appreciate the Slow and Low mix.

Fredrik, it would be nice if you could get that recording available for all of us outhere.

1. Everything UK, a few imports.

2. Not EVERY format of everything. Only a few bootleg tapes from the 80's.

3. Substance Gatefold LP(number 243 of 1000) Palatine Lane Sampler CD (inc "The Happy One") Thieves Like Us 7" Confusion 7" "Touch - Feature Mist" comp cassette (inc "Video 586") "Discreet Campaigns" comp cassette (inc "Sunrise" instrumental mix) "Quick Neat Job" comp LP (inc "Theme") 12 inches of New Order plastic ruler

4. Peel 98 session on CD (anyone help?).

5. Mail order and record fairs.

I've never been a 'collector' per se but I have every UK 12" and vinyl album release up to the Republican days from Ceremony right thru to Spooky plus the 7" of Procession/EGG and Temptation. Actually the one thing I didn't buy was the USA 1981-82 EP as I had all the records anyway - seems a bit foolish now!

This includes all the stuff like the Salvation soundtrack, Run2, the True Faith with Paradise Remix as a B-Side and Round and Remix and the other additional 12"s they did for the Technophobe release.

Never bothered buying the Best Of and Rest Of and the Getting Things Ready material was the first time I've bought NO stuff on CD only.

Got most of the bootleg tapes of the concerts I've seen (about 20 in all) plus some others from the States and one in Belgie-Belgique where they do an EGG/Temptation 'medley'

Got a couple of quality bootleg posters - the highlight is the one from Tower Ballroom in Brum where the Wonderstuff have done the artwork.

Oh, and I did have a Fac 51 Hacienda pin badge but I lost it!

Originally posted by Brian Geoghagan Huntsman-Andrew Weatherall is still cutting edge. He currently focuses on glitchy/minimal house and techno and to hear him mix it is a lesson just like the glory days. I appreciate unique electronic music not dull dancefloor crap and i expect the 60MPH single and SLY will be dancefloor oriented. I never bought the ep because I saw it everywhere and never new it was rare. my friend had a copy and sold it to a second hand shop for $1. They used to have multiple copies at the WalMart near my house in rural louisiana. Fortunately, copies are floating about on the net with pricetags below $10 (US). I have the BLT 12" framed and the Shellshock 12" framed near my turntables but the 81-82 ep would make a nice addition. You don't smoke herb do you Huntsman? I think a little might make you appreciate the Slow and Low mix.

well big g i find a strong coffee at 3 in the morning sets the scene for a mellow sesh... just for you, i'll give them old mixes a go and return with fresh legs the morrow.

1. Well, loads, can't get the count of them.
2. Lots of vynils. Among them : Transmission, Atmosphere and LWTUA 12" and Unknown Pleasures, Closer & Still. By NO : almost everything on vinyl until 1990, which includes EP 81-82 (Benelux version), 7" from Temptation, Fine Time, Round & Round, True Faith; 12" from Blue Monday, Confusion, Thieves Like Us and it's instrumental counterpart, Confusion, Subculture, Shellshock, BLT, State Of The Nation, Round & Round (2 of them), True Fath (remixes), World In Motion...
3. I don't collect items but songs. I didn't collect the vonyls, just bought them as they were available at normal price. I'm only intersting in songs.
4. Nothing particularly apart from good live bootlegs.
5. Nothing, really.

Okay, I've got all JD and NO Factory US vinyl, plus PCL on cassette. Almost all UK 12" singles, except for Run 2. Salvation soundtrack. All JD and NO US 7" singles, stock and promos. Not too many UK 7", sorry to say. Taras Schevenko and Here Are The Young Men on BETA (my Sony still works, so I will still use it!). 3 copies of the JD flexi, a Facus 21 badge in blue.

Don't think I have anything extremely rare, but I haven't seen a picture on this site of this one NO poster that I have. It's for the nine minute video of The Perfect Kiss that is a monochrome shot of Gillian's clasping hands, and the poster lists the credits for the video (dir. Demme, dir. of photog. Alekan, etc.), and measures about 24" by 24". There are also a couple of red areas in it to provide some contrast.

Don't really have a place to secure JD/NO goodies, but I do scour every place that I shop for items that I need.

In no strict order here, but I have: *All official albums *Ceremony, Blue Monday, Confusion, Thieves Like Us, Murder, SubCulture, State of the Nation, True Faith, True Faith Remix, Fine Time, Fine Time Remix, Round & round remix - 12' singles *Temptation, Bizarre Love Triangle, Touched by the Hand of God 7" singles *Regret, World, Ruined in a day, Crystal cd singles *World in Motion 'cassingle' *3 16 DVD *Radio Order vinyl 12" bootleg *Hacienda 1983 vinyl 12" bootleg *Paradiso 1984 casette bootleg *and a shitload of stuff downloaded and burned from this and other sites (thanks guys!) CTD

Hey Huntsman, has your "spare" FAC51b flexi got the writing on the label? If so I'd like to volunteer to take it off your hands. It was missed off my copy for some reason.