Bells on Who's Joe

Huntsman wrote: We haven't heard the story from Big Neville about the ghosts yet P. Steady on!

I'm working on it right now!

Huntsman wrote: I'm sorry to hear that.

But surely not surprised.

Actually the title "Who's Joe?" supports the disguise theory.

I did fear that one would get lost in translation.

I meant, sorry to hear that your missing out on that one.

Good news on Big Neville's forthcoming novella.

I might even treat myself to a biscuit.

Huntsman wrote: I did fear that one would get lost in translation.

I meant, sorry to hear that your missing out on that one.

Good news on Big Neville's forthcoming novella.

I might even treat myself to a biscuit.

A salt-free biscuit, I hope. I've been meaning to ask you, H, have you ever tried unsalted potato chips?

Patrick wrote: Actually the title "Who's Joe?" supports the disguise theory.

Yes P - yes.

I did actually say to the expert that you may contribute your theory, so that the third party can then correctly apply the relationships. I have hinted at that perhaps 1,000 times since Monday.

Huntsman wrote:

I might even treat myself to a biscuit.

Biscuits at the ready - here it comes...

Perhaps I could tell you the real story, and someone else could have a go at embellishing it:

Many years ago, I spent two weeks in a hotel in Yeovil. I was on my own, as I was working down there. The hotel had a large bar, which was normally full of local blokes drinking cider.

The locals would talk at length about the activities of the ghost which inhabited the void above the ceiling in the bar area. The ceiling had old wood panelling and the ghost would slide one of the panels about when no one was looking. Nobody would see or hear anything, and no other manifestation of the spirit was ever reported. The loose wooden panel would just be observed to have been moved from it’s rightful position, revealing the dark void above, or would be back in place. The locals were quite scared by it all.

A copulating pair in the next room kept me awake for much of one night. I saw the filthy pair having their dinner in the bar the following evening when I returned from work. I announced to the landlord that I had some information about the ghost and of course I was immediately surrounded by the locals.

I started to tell the tale about how I was prevented from sleeping by a terrible moaning sound the previous night. The effect on the room was amazing. Everyone (including the hapless pair of moaners) was rooted to the spot. Finally, after years of lousy panel-moving, their ghost was developing its repertoire. Of course, they all started asking questions. Where did the noise come from? Room eight. What did it sound like? Well a gentle moaning at first, then a panting noise that became more frantic, finally, gasping for air, then the terrible screams AGHHH AGHHH AGHHH!

Everyone in the room fell about laughing, apart from the poor couple, who left without finishing their meal and checked out the next day.

Huntsman wrote:

Patrick wrote: Actually the title "Who's Joe?" supports the disguise theory.

Yes P - yes.

I did actually say to the expert that you may contribute your theory, so that the third party can then correctly apply the relationships. I have hinted at that perhaps 1,000 times since Monday.

I thought you said some time ago, H, that you felt that I had adequately expressed the theory in general terms. What is now needed is for someone who knows the Odyssey better than I do to take my general concept and apply it on an episode-by-episode basis. I feel confident I have made that last point well more than 1,000 times, just counting today.

I would just like to point out, H, that Big is an extremely valuable resource, and you have him off doing ghost anecdotes, when he could be working on the theory. I just needed to get that off my chest. There, I feel much better.

BIGINOIL wrote: Perhaps I could tell you the real story, and someone else could have a go at embellishing it:

Many years ago ...

It's a great yarn alright - but I can't give it my full backing in light of the fact that the ghost was again the butt of the gag.

Patrick wrote: I would just like to point out, H, that Big is an extremely valuable resource, and you have him off doing ghost anecdotes, when he could be working on the theory. I just needed to get that off my chest. There, I feel much better.

Sorry, development of the theory would appear at this point to require a good working knowledge of either Boethius or the Odyssey. As I have neither, I must entertain myself while I wait for something I know about to come past again. The ghost was most certainly not the butt of the joke, the couple in the next room were. I like to think that the ghost was chuckling quietly to his or herself, perhaps even moving the wooden panel a few inches in honour of the little jape.

Well then, Big, that's fine. I think you've already done way more than your fair share today. So I think the ball is pretty clearly in H's court. Especially since he's disappointed us about his review.

I could retell a spooky tale, but all those who read it would feel strangely compelled to rent from the horror section of their local Blockbuster almost the same day.

Huntsman wrote: I could retell a spooky tale, but all those who read it would feel strangely compelled to rent from the horror section of their local Blockbuster almost the same day.

Perhaps we need a new thread on the other side for off-topic ghost stories? Hunstman shall start it with his, then I will copy my own story so he's not on his own over there. I bet we attract loads, it's the kind of thing they go for over there. Who knows, we may attract something that helps the real cause.

Get real, Biggy. Never seen those guys posting on the daft side.

Well, Big, please report back if anything turns up.

Patrick wrote: Well, Big, please report back if anything turns up.

If someone fails to notify Pastie of any extra curriculum activity down on Planet B I fear he may brew a slightly imbalanced coffee and almost ruin his entire day.

Huntsman wrote:

Patrick wrote: Well, Big, please report back if anything turns up.

If someone fails to notify Pastie of any extra curriculum activity down on Planet B I fear he may brew a slightly imbalanced coffee and almost ruin his entire day.

But how will know that I'm missing something, H?

Was that an intentional slip-up P, as one could interpret it as a missing 'I' - as in, am 'I' missing something.

Clever.

Patrick wrote:

Huntsman wrote:

Patrick wrote: Well, Big, please report back if anything turns up.

If someone fails to notify Pastie of any extra curriculum activity down on Planet B I fear he may brew a slightly imbalanced coffee and almost ruin his entire day.

But how will know that I'm missing something, H?

I will, of course, update you of any relevant activity. I strongly suspect that it will be a while before I have anything to report.

In the mean time (and strangeley "on topic") I have found the following site. It might help.

Odyssey

Thanks for both things, Big. It looks like that site could be quite helpful.

Huntsman wrote: Was that an intentional slip-up P, as one could interpret it as a missing 'I' - as in, am 'I' missing something.

Clever.

Honesty compels me to acknowledge that it was not intentional, H. I will leave it uncorrected.

Bell-like sound, yes, but what I think you're hearing is...

artificial harmonics.

That is, Mr. Guitarist Who Is Not Gillian very lightly touches the guitar string directly above the fifth, seventh, or twelfth fret and picks as usual. The vibrating guitar string is functionally split into two live sections which resonate harmonically, producing harmonic bell-like overtones. Perhaps the most famous example on record is Edge's little "solo" on U2's "Sunday Bloody Sunday".

I don't believe it's a synth due to the subtle change in timbre of the last note of the phrase, which has a high fundamental yet a lower series of harmonic overtones. A digital synth would have no problem pumping out the higher harmonics, but a guitar would choke a bit, altering the tone a bit.

What the hell did you people do without me?

Gnu Odor wrote: Bell-like sound, yes, but what I think you're hearing is...

artificial harmonics.

That is, Mr. Guitarist Who Is Not Gillian very lightly touches the guitar string directly above the fifth, seventh, or twelfth fret and picks as usual. The vibrating guitar string is functionally split into two live sections which resonate harmonically, producing harmonic bell-like overtones. Perhaps the most famous example on record is Edge's little "solo" on U2's "Sunday Bloody Sunday".

I don't believe it's a synth due to the subtle change in timbre of the last note of the phrase, which has a high fundamental yet a lower series of harmonic overtones. A digital synth would have no problem pumping out the higher harmonics, but a guitar would choke a bit, altering the tone a bit.

What the hell did you people do without me?

Thank you very much for your help, sir. Have you looked at the lyrics page where SM claims credit for the "clangy" sounds on this track?

I know exactly what the the clangy sounds is! It's... a bizzarre love triangle.

Somebody had to say it. Carry on...

Bentley wrote: I know exactly what the the clangy sounds is! It's... a bizzarre love triangle.

Somebody had to say it. Carry on...

You're right, Bentley. Somebody had to say it. Good to see you again.

Gnu Odor wrote: Bell-like sound, yes, but what I think you're hearing is...

artificial harmonics.

That is, Mr. Guitarist Who Is Not Gillian very lightly touches the guitar string directly above the fifth, seventh, or twelfth fret and picks as usual. The vibrating guitar string is functionally split into two live sections which resonate harmonically, producing harmonic bell-like overtones. Perhaps the most famous example on record is Edge's little "solo" on U2's "Sunday Bloody Sunday".

I don't believe it's a synth due to the subtle change in timbre of the last note of the phrase, which has a high fundamental yet a lower series of harmonic overtones. A digital synth would have no problem pumping out the higher harmonics, but a guitar would choke a bit, altering the tone a bit.

What the hell did you people do without me?

Effing nora, I think you're right! There's a certain twang (a very technical term used only be people who know all about these things) on the later notes.

Another thing that has come to my attention is the grouping of the chimes (I think we are now all comfortable with calling them that). I have a little theory that I will work on and post soon. It may include internet links, I hope nobody minds.

BIGINOIL wrote:

Gnu Odor wrote: Bell-like sound, yes, but what I think you're hearing is...

artificial harmonics.

That is, Mr. Guitarist Who Is Not Gillian very lightly touches the guitar string directly above the fifth, seventh, or twelfth fret and picks as usual. The vibrating guitar string is functionally split into two live sections which resonate harmonically, producing harmonic bell-like overtones. Perhaps the most famous example on record is Edge's little "solo" on U2's "Sunday Bloody Sunday".

I don't believe it's a synth due to the subtle change in timbre of the last note of the phrase, which has a high fundamental yet a lower series of harmonic overtones. A digital synth would have no problem pumping out the higher harmonics, but a guitar would choke a bit, altering the tone a bit.

What the hell did you people do without me?

Effing nora, I think you're right! There's a certain twang (a very technical term used only be people who know all about these things) on the later notes.

Another thing that has come to my attention is the grouping of the chimes (I think we are now all comfortable with calling them that). I have a little theory that I will work on and post soon. It may include internet links, I hope nobody minds.

Based on your prior contributions, Big, I am eager to hear what you have to say.

Actually, no.

I'm sick to fucking death of the first few seconds of this album now. I've listened to it about a hundred times this afternoon and there's nothing more for me to hear there. I have nothing more to say on the subject of bells. I will attempt to contribute to further discussions about possible concepts and am happy to devote time to other sections of the record, however short. I've had enough of this bit though - this is the bell end.

(Of course, the above is based on piratised .mp3 files, heard on low quality equipment. I will listen to the official release on my home system and may post more on this subject then).

Here is the link I was going to use, in case anyone is still reading...

Ships Bells