Their Biggest Mistake

I'll go with hiring Phil

I'm going to pick two from that list: drug abuse (which I voted for) and replacing Gillian. I wish she could come back.

They haven't made as many as me.My list is 400 pages LONG and still haven't got to getting chucked out of the BROWNIES aged 6!

Nazi Imagery wasnt something the band did, rather a myth perpetuated by the media that after a while the band gave up trying to dismiss. Movement is in many ways a great album and certainly a necessary one. Abandoning the JD direction? Its called progression. Doing side projects - if thats what they felt like doing at the time good luck to em. Put out some decent songs between em as well. Signing to London - what were they supposed to do? Reforming - ehh? New Order Lite is better than none at all.

Mistakes are there to be made. Too late to think through their career but I wish they had properly recorded the Lets go demo version. The obvious one is what they don't do rather than what they do do - as in varying the setlist.

everybody makes mistakes... even me

too many illegal substances

I'm quite determined there will be no more mistakes! like the last one

The whole drink/drug aspect mades the gigs to me circa 1985 more interesting but I haven't got around to listening to them, so I can't really make that judgment.

It is a shame that they've affect Barney's memory so getting clarification on facts in the past seems quite difficult.

there biggest mistake was not replacing Gillian with Johnny Marr. New Order + Johnny Marr= Super New Order (Ok really dorky sounding, but makes sense to me). :D . Or they could have kept Gillian (Smart move) and still added Johnny Marr, and never used any female vocalist except Gillian, and have cut down on the female backing vocals! Oh, and maybe more of hooky singing. Ok some of it is a wish, but thats ok right?

Firstly...They would'nt be what they are to YOU, without the drug use/abuse.Whether we condem/judge them, or not,some drugs are great for creative purposes..Pretty critical to the Bands path,not too many outwardly ill effects showing from th drugs(ok Barney forgets his own lyrics...Charmingly I reckon ...A lot of blunders were made with Factory Recs(how much did Pretentious Peter Saville leech incidently?) and the Hac in particular...Allowing J-e-t on the singles market,was pretty dumb management.. Gretton would of laughed at them IMHO.This next single will get it all back.... one hopesIf it gets some play on Radio

The single choices for Technique were The Only Mistake.

Drug abuse has been the biggest mistake of every band that's ever used 'em.

Wasn't World in Motion the first major descent from the pinnacle of Technique? In some bio, I think on All Music, Hooky, presumably, was quoted as saying 'this might be the last straw for Joy Division fans', or something to that effect. It's bland crap, not really a serious blemish, but it does illustrate, as a relative first, New Order's occasional public destruction of their own mystique. I don't care too much for romanticizing the '80s, I was a toddler then anyway, because I enjoy present day New Order, but I do feel like World in Motion is the kind of thing that makes, by comparison, mediocre material like 'Jetstream' more acceptable to the fanbase. And that, by the way, sucks.

I'll second Nick's take, but I'm also gonna mention the 89 US tour, over three months long. Not too sure that long haul helped out much over the long term, since there hasn't been a huge demand for 'em to visit places like Utah (and Oregon, sigh) since.

JV wrote: Wasn't World in Motion the first major descent from the pinnacle of Technique? In some bio, I think on All Music, Hooky, presumably, was quoted as saying 'this might be the last straw for Joy Division fans', or something to that effect. It's bland crap, not really a serious blemish, but it does illustrate, as a relative first, New Order's occasional public destruction of their own mystique. I don't care too much for romanticizing the '80s, I was a toddler then anyway, because I enjoy present day New Order, but I do feel like World in Motion is the kind of thing that makes, by comparison, mediocre material like 'Jetstream' more acceptable to the fanbase. And that, by the way, sucks.

Any England fan/musician would love to do the world cup song,its not a sell out,they are ligitimite supporters...I thought they did a decent job with WIM...pissed all over previous world cup songs...

republic spoiling an otherwise excellent album record

People will argue with me on this one, but trusting their management to look after their interests and keeping Tony Wilson in check.

Ie Factory's unwise property investments Staying with Factory right until the bitter end and not jumping ship earlier.

as everyone's mother has probably told them: with every mistake comes a new opportunity. :D

ROFLMAO.....4 people voted drugs.

you don't like nasty druggy wuggies?

BURN ALL YOUR RECORDS AND BUY SOME MADE BY NO-DOPERS.

Think you haver errrrr....The King singers, and Nana Miskouri.

DRUGS BAD FOR NEW ORDER?

Oh boy I can't wait to tell my GF that, she'll bust a gut (she only tolerates me playing them if it's a full on E-fueled electro-rampage).

Right then, my friends, and enemies of all the untaxed (therefor bad) drugs... out with it. list all the bands who never drank, or smoked or toked or snorted or stuck stupid needles in em.....and who are not festering ear torture. (yes I know there are a few, but NO would not have been one of em)

EDIT: Then again, it all depends on what you call drug abuse. If you have a bottle of whiskey and drink it, and a block of hash and smoke it, that's drug USE> Drug ABuse would be using the Whiskey as a molotov and propping up a wonky table leg with the hash. The only drugs that to my knowledge has caused any of them trouble is nice fluffy legal and taxble booze.

To me, the biggest mistake was allowing too many other people to have too much say in their money. Bands don't own bars and clubs, or at least shouldn't. I don't blame Wilson entirely, Rob Gretton didn't help them as much as some might say over this period.

Wilson, The Hacienda and staying wiht Factory til the end. I also laugh at those that say the drugs were their biggest mistake. Too many bands clean up and release utter shit without drugs (anyone catch Iggy Pop on Fresh Air?).

Next biggest mistake is failure to promote thier lps.

The Nazi imagery will have attracted some wrong 'uns - they've said in many interviews though that they realise that this attempt at being contraversial was naive. It was also offensive to many... we all make mistakes though!

Gillian leaving wasn't really a mistake - she has to look after her kids - although it would've been good to have someone with more pedigree - i.e. Johnny Marr.

The side projects were definately no mistake - because of them we have 6 (less or more depending on how you decide what constitutes original material) more solid NO like masterpieces...

Yeah the only mistake, like I made once before...

replacing gillian with phil no doubt about it. the last two records dont even sound like new order, which says it all really. get ready was rescued a little bit by the raw energy that they displayed on it, but this latest effort is simply not new order, and a lot of it has to do with phil's excessive guitar.

Spotnick wrote: Other.. being the Hacienda and letting Tony Wilson run the business.

Without the fall of Factory and money problems due to the Hacienda, maybe they wouldn't have parted in 1990 to go do side projects while they were at their peak. quote]

agree. bleeding money like they did must've been maddening, esp when NO created the music that helped create customer base that the HAC was servicing and it wasn't paying dividends.

Using Alan Wise to introduce them

Al Jarvis wrote:

Milkshock wrote: replacing gillian with phil no doubt about it. the last two records dont even sound like new order, which says it all really. get ready was rescued a little bit by the raw energy that they displayed on it, but this latest effort is simply not new order, and a lot of it has to do with phil's excessive guitar.

Surely Gillian was on Get Ready, and Phil had fcuk all to do with it?! He didn't join the band until well after Get Ready was recorded, no?!

That's what I thought - people should stop slagging off 'phils guitar wankery' for a while & give him a chance for his personality to come through, after all 'road to ruin - hey now what you doing' is his track (according to Bernard) & thats a quality NO track in my book.

If it wasn't for the drugs their music may not have sounded as it did

So therefore drugs are not a bad thing

King Eric wrote: If it wasn't for the drugs their music may not have sounded as it did

So therefore drugs are not a bad thing

1993:

Keith Allen: Gillian...Would New Order have made the music that they did without the drugs? Gillian: *Giggles* KA: Well...? Gillian: No comment

:D

I personally went for the Factory/Hac/Dry/Tony fookin' Wilson fiasco...the bitterness spilled over into the band, and the band dealt with it through drugs and drink instead of trying to work together. Had New Order evolved after Technique instead of disintegrate for eight years, who knows how many intense albums they would have made.

Reforming wasn't a mistake, how else would I have seen them pre 1993