New Order 12x12" will be released by the end of February

Spotnick wrote: Oh, and also:

We are working with Virgin/EMI UK & Hooky on a Hacienda Classics club compilation for March release

Will get u deets asap

Oh - it will be on CD format

NOT vinyl

That might keep the forum happy

Guy has irony ;)

Although, the Hac Classics one I'd probably like most on both formats... I'm mean, but it's true.

Now that's something for me to get excited about - a Hac cd. MoS did one a while back, and I've got stuff I've pieced together from other people's sets - but you know, you can never have enough good music. :P

I wish all success to Neworder 12x12, why 12x12,i don't know ;the only thing sure is 12x12= 144 and 44 is my age, good luck to Neworder.

Depeche Mode had 12x12 collection. Although in their case it was 12 LPs filled with all 12" mixes and b-sides. I remember one the LPs was called Sex.

What about sleeve of the album?

am i the only one around here who thinks that being a new order fan, that owning a record player should be a prerequiste for collecting thier stuff??

after all most of their stuff was originally released on vinyl, they began in an age that had only Vinyl and (cassette tape) - no cd no mp3...

i know things have moved on a bit, and we are in a'digital' age, and i personally like to have things on CD now, but complaining that you don't have a 'machine' to play these releases on is a bit lame, new order have and i think, will always relase some stuff on vinyl and as such as fans we should have the means to play it...if not then tough luck...i bet hooky, barney and steve still have loads of vinyl and machines to play these releases ;)

sorry to be the bearer of this news, but no one has yet said vinyl is dead and to get rid of your vinyl player...when that happnes then fair enough, but until thenif you don;t own a record player its not New Order's (or the record company's) fault

I don't really see the point of this but I might just buy one for the fun of it:

Cat no: nser015 5050072401866 A1 Bizarre Love Triangle - Shep Pettibone Remix 6.43 A2 Round & Round - Kevin Saunderson Remix 7.11 B1 True Faith - Shep Pettibone Remix 9.02 B2 Fine Time - Steve ‘Silk’ Hurley Remix 9.18

I don't really see the point of this either?! I've got a nice record player, and it gets used regularly and I was really chuffed with the WFTSC trilogy, but do I really want to buy these 12 12"? This is really going to depend on the price.

How Redic is this? I mean vinyl!

Dont think i will be bothering with the 12"s just because of cost,then thinkin about it.......

I wonder that Hooky is authorizing this poor selling out. New tracks, please !

Spotnick wrote: Oh, and also:

We are working with Virgin/EMI UK & Hooky on a Hacienda Classics club compilation for March release

Oh, it's going to be released in March, is it? Oops, better reply to that e-mail...

Great news! Now I can't wait for the new album.. in cassette format.

I remember a time...back in the late 90's...when I wondered if I'd ever get to hear new NO tracks again.

I'm thankful that we've got new albums...and new remixes (yeah some of them do suck but so what....some (richard X remix of TF) are brilliant.

I'd rather new songs/tracks come out on 8 track tape rather than never have them at all.

I'm not a huge fan of record labels...and they don't always make great decisions...but to the guy's point I do think that it makes sense to just relax a bit...obviously from Retro and other releases...they do take our input into consideration. Getting pissed at and flaming the record label probably doesn't accomplish a whole lot.

BTW I'm not saying that everyone above is flaming the record label but some of the posts do seem rather over the top IMO...

And yes I wasnt happy about no Guilt or WFTSC on CD as well. I'd much rather support the band by buying copies of a legitimate CD (as opposed to giving scalpers $ for promos or just getting copies from others)..

my 2 cents....ok go ahead and flame me now...

Hydrapelican wrote: I remember a time...back in the late 90's...when I wondered if I'd ever get to hear new NO tracks again.

I'm thankful that we've got new albums...and new remixes (yeah some of them do suck but so what....some (richard X remix of TF) are brilliant.

I'd rather new songs/tracks come out on 8 track tape rather than never have them at all.

I'm not a huge fan of record labels...and they don't always make great decisions...but to the guy's point I do think that it makes sense to just relax a bit...obviously from Retro and other releases...they do take our input into consideration. Getting pissed at and flaming the record label probably doesn't accomplish a whole lot.

BTW I'm not saying that everyone above is flaming the record label but some of the posts do seem rather over the top IMO...

And yes I wasnt happy about no Guilt or WFTSC on CD as well. I'd much rather support the band by buying copies of a legitimate CD (as opposed to giving scalpers $ for promos or just getting copies from others)..

my 2 cents....ok go ahead and flame me now...

Abso-f'n-lutely.

a m e n

Being from the states, to say that obtaining the collection of singles at or near the opening day release has been trying to say the least. I ordered the UK version of Krafty over Amazon.com UK, as well as the UK edition of Jetstream with U-myx. Ordered all 3 7" Vinyls from some shop overseas (I cannot remember which.) And, only have the digital versions of GIAUE from I-tunes, and Dell MusicMatch.

Along with chasing down new DM releases this year as well, I have spent so much time hunting these bastards down. In looking back at 2005s releases, it seems as though the "thrill of the chase" has become more exciting proposition than having the releases in hand. I still have not seen any NO or DM singles in any shop that I have access to (Tampa and Pittsburgh markets, only on digital mediums.

All that being said, I would love to have an entire set of these 12 12" releases. (It would make a great B-day gift for me in March) But, I have grown tired of having to hunt down these things, and would actually like to enjoy the substance of these releases for a change. Any sense as to where these releases will be available, whether they are Vinyl, or CD releases? I know Spotty does a good job on keeping up with the updates! Please keep us loyal fans in the US posted on how we can purchase these gems!

I don't get this. I really really really don't.

They make vinyl records when nobody buys vinyl anymore.

They make it an absolute and expensive trawl just to get new mixes of old songs.

Someone needs to sit them down and explain to them that CD's are the format on which MOST people buy MOST music. And if they want to sell records, they should sell CD's. Not vinyl. and not low quality 'DRM-protected' files.

Frankly, they should've made the initial run of "Singles" a 3 Disc set with a remix CD of all the stuff thats come out on obscure formats you can't get anywhere else, and actually sold proper physical CD singles for WFTSC, GIAUE, and Turn. And instead of sticking 7 remixes of "Krafty" over two CD's, varied it around a little to make it a less tedious listening process. I got very bored of listening to 7 generic-and-very-similar-remixes-in-a-row that was "Krafty" and "Jetstream".

You've prayed for it, dreamed about it and now it's here - the True Faith Remixes Boxset. 60 versions of True Faith spread over five cd's. Including the loadzadosh, imminted and wadsaplenty remixes. The first 20,000 have an extra disc with twelve further remixes. I love remixes, don't you?

mark reed wrote: I don't get this. I really really really don't.

They make vinyl records when nobody buys vinyl anymore.

They make it an absolute and expensive trawl just to get new mixes of old songs.

Someone needs to sit them down and explain to them that CD's are the format on which MOST people buy MOST music. And if they want to sell records, they should sell CD's. Not vinyl. and not low quality 'DRM-protected' files.

i'm sorry but i have to disagree here..

vinyl sales were the only non digital format to increase in volume for the last year that figures were available....march 2004 - march 2005...(sales of singles in the UK)

downloads +747% cd singles -23% vinyl +87% other +10%

not sure what the 'other' format is but this data comes from the official charts company, and is reliable.

Warners, like a lot of companies, are only reacting to demand, vinyl sales have had a resurgence recently and bands like New Order, who championed the 7" & 12" single in the 1980's & 1990's should still be issuing stuff on this format, after all we all know what the biggest ever selling 12" of all time is, so i think its still right that New Order, of all bands continues to use this format...

".... as long as they stick them out on CD as well", is what you left off the end of that sentence. It doesn't matter if sales of vinyl have gone up, vinyl releases still sell miniscule amounts. Even if vinyl sales rise by 1,000% they'll still be much less than 10% of CD sales.

I tried to post this morning, but I had some trouble...

What I was going to say is that, even though I am a vinyl whore, I have to agree with Mark Reed. A lot of us still love vinyl and play it out (I own plenty of CDs but I don't DJ with them), but for the people that don't, they need a handy format. By not putting these out on CD Single, you're shutting out a lot of dedicated fans who are willing to pay money for this material.

I don't how luxurious the label's gonna get with these 12"s, if they're gonna put picture sleeves on them or do 180 gram vinyl but they ought to consider doing a run of CD Singles like the big trance labels do (Anjunabeats, Lost Language, etc) and make them available ONLY through the website. They don't have to be special, they can just have company sleeves and be issued in slipcases

But on a more important note, the tracklistings on some of these planned singles don't really do them justice. How can you pair up a new remix of 'I Told You So' (which hopefully has more f**king bass in it this time) with 'Dubvulture' and 'Shame of the Nation'?? How about pairing 'Thieves Like Us' with the worst remix of 'Jetstream'?? Songs from each era should be paired with other tracks from that same era. OR, if you were dating the tracks by when the REMIXES were done, please keep newer mixes together and the older mixes on other slabs of vinyl.

Instead of re-releasing mixes THAT HAVE ALREADY APPEARED ON VINYL AND CD, put on some older hard-to-find gems, like the Robert Racic remix of 'Paradise' or even the Sabres' Slow n' Low mix of 'Regret' (of which, my UK 12" was a HORRIBLE press) - or how about the Lionrock Fast n' Sparse mix of 'Nineteen 63'??

THESE are the mixes that will help sell these records, not boring retreads of stuff we already have. This whole idea is geared towards a niche market of New Order fans, mostly DJs and hard core fanatics.

One more thing, the label should know that it's not 'Subculture (Dubvulture Mix)' or State of the Nation (Shame of the Nation Mix)' - come on guys, we're expecting you to know the right names of the songs before you release them. Please be professional with them.

I applaud MTO, for explaining coherently what I could not.

If they were going to do 12x12"s, why not put them in a box and arrange every release chronologically and choose some of the mixes that are actually VERY obscure (The "Record Mirror" mix of "Subculture", "Evil Dust", the Salvation 12" mix of "Touched", "Confusion" DMC Mix, "Ruined In A Day" (ambient mix), any of the mixes of "World", "Spooky", "1963-95" etc.), as opposed to this haphazard, seemingly random selection?

Why not be a bit more careful with the mixes chosen? 4 of these tracks are either on 95's "Rest Of" or 02's "Retro". And since there is no (extended mix) of "Theives Like Us", we're looking at a track that's on Substance, The Best Of, Singles, and probably Retro as well. Just a little more thought about what the people who actually buy the records might want, and they'd sell more records.

The 12" singles are being released because of MONEY. We've had several compilations of the same stuff done for this reason, so why should this be any different? Are they coming as a box set - I doubt it because they wouldn't be able to get away with the £4/£5 charge per disc that they could charge with individual items.

Play your old vinyl or Substance/International/Greatest Hits/Retro. For God's sake, don't get conned into buying the same stuff AGAIN!!!!

oh God, "International", I forgot about that particular waste of paper and silver.

My whole take on this issue has always remained the same:

If you don't like it, then don't fucking well buy it. That way the record company suffer as the only way they'll probably listen and learn is if the fans voted with their feet by snubbing them. These 12"s sound like a waste of time - for the most part. It's the usual sort of hastily cobbled together exercise (without any real thought or care put into it) that everybody should patently well expect of Warners by now. Has it ever been any other way?

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: It's the usual sort of hastily cobbled together exercise (without any real thought or care put into it) that everybody should patently well expect of Warners by now. Has it ever been any other way?

Sometimes I think of Factory as a marvelous label... Something of that 80's-anti-major-label-attitude must have been right...

I'm getting old.

I see the 12" singles are on HMV.co.uk at £5.99 each. Robbing devils...

Twelve releases too far, I'm afraid - and at that price it's an insult. My days of seeking one copy of every New Order track (preferably on CD) are officially over. Going to just stick to officially released singles and UK editions of the albums from now on - promos, US/Jap albums with exclusive tracks and DJ 12"s are all too expensive.

Simply can't afford to keep up with this kind of shafting any more - least of all for more listen-once then forget remixes.

Simply a casual buyer from now on.

Andy

Mr Discography wrote: Twelve releases too far, I'm afraid - and at that price it's an insult. My days of seeking one copy of every New Order track (preferably on CD) are officially over. Going to just stick to officially released singles and UK editions of the albums from now on - promos, US/Jap albums with exclusive tracks and DJ 12"s are all too expensive.

Simply can't afford to keep up with this kind of shafting any more - least of all for more listen-once then forget remixes.

Simply a casual buyer from now on.

Andy

And SADLY i think i will have to join you ANDY.Bravo for attempting this in the first place and a big thankyou to your BRILLIANT lists and timings.Excellent work.But alas MONEY is just too tight these days to chase all these formats and sometimes pointless remixes.I will leave my sons to do there own MIXING and beat matching or whatever they do. Regards ROCKET MICK -a GOLDEN OLDIE

Rocket Mick wrote:

Mr Discography wrote: Twelve releases too far, I'm afraid - and at that price it's an insult. My days of seeking one copy of every New Order track (preferably on CD) are officially over. Going to just stick to officially released singles and UK editions of the albums from now on - promos, US/Jap albums with exclusive tracks and DJ 12"s are all too expensive.

Simply can't afford to keep up with this kind of shafting any more - least of all for more listen-once then forget remixes.

Simply a casual buyer from now on.

Andy

And SADLY i think i will have to join you ANDY.Bravo for attempting this in the first place and a big thankyou to your BRILLIANT lists and timings.Excellent work.But alas MONEY is just too tight these days to chase all these formats and sometimes pointless remixes.I will leave my sons to do there own MIXING and beat matching or whatever they do. Regards ROCKET MICK -a GOLDEN OLDIE

Seems like I'll join that club...