"It might be our last show ever" - Steve and Hooky´s interview!

almansoglasnost wrote:

Gary wrote: What amazing speculation over an interview which has been translated from English and back again!

hey, that´s not fair and you know it. it´s true that i did translate it to english from the newspaper which is in spanish. but i could get the original recording of this interview, the journalist himself emailed me. it says what it says, period. if you like it, good. if you don´t then i´m sorry.

and about the thread title, well i didn´t mean they´d split up. it was more like "about the rumour". now that i see it yeah it could be a little over the top. i´ll change it.

Sorry, didn't mean to question your translation. I wouldn't be able to do it!

It's worrying but then they took a break from each other for five years so it's not unprecedented. I suppose that once you get to their old age, the romance of touring etc becomes a bit of a bind!

Yes, it would be a tragedy if they definitively called it a day as we'd have no more new music from them but I'd say they'll split for a while until they feel they've rested etc enough and fulfilled themselves in other ways (remember that Hooky especially did just this with Revenge and Monaco and so Freebase is part of a pattern).

Twenty-nine years together is a bloody long time. You can forgive them for feeling jaded creatively with each other. I really hope they don't split for good and take a long break. We'll miss them in the mean time and pine for new music but the music they've created already is eternal.

Ps I saw them on the BBC news last night! Dickie Branson was at some Virgin Megastore thing and the Order were on-stage with him. It was not an Order-related story as Branson was huffed that his NTL bid for part of ITV had been blown out in Sky's favour but it would seem the Order are back in Manchester. What happens now (or doesn't) is up to them.

so reading 89 and 93 ,,, the 3rd???

You guys have no idea what it meant for New order to be playing again. it was a major deal. You need to go on an indie aagain and get away from the demands of a major label. Remember how important that was to New Order's development? Please please please...don't stop the New Order....--Justin beck

Old guys in the neighborhood? So what. So is Herbie Hancock...still hipper than more than half the shit out there. You gotta brush off some disrespectful corporate label's comments and find a new label. You need a NEW LABEL>>>that;s all. You're not that old..we love you..you see how many young people are digging you at your shows..how many cutting edge bands always say New Order NEw order.

Come on guys...don't let silly insecurity get you...you've been called "washed up" before..you ALWAYS show 'em..every time..every time.

Blunderer wrote: Listen to you all.

I posted about this the other week after the Blackpool show and got slated.

They are finished. Yesterday's Men. They ceased to be relevant after Acid House. Technique was the last record that meant anything. Even when Republic came out they had had their best days.

Shrinking gig attendances. Flagging record sales. Mediocre records. Expanding wastelines.

The sad thing is not that they are quitting now, the sad thing is they did'nt do it 15 years ago before besmirching the memories.

This comes from a 36 year old who has been a lifelong fan.

After having #1 albums and singles - isn't down the only place to go? Do we really expect them to be making revolutionary, chart-topping albums this late in their career?

NOs peers from the 80s haven't interested me at all for about the last 15 years. Yet WFTSC is one of the most enjoyable albums to come out in the last while.

Even putting out a good album now and then that breaks the top 40, still being an influence on younger bands - isn't this in itself exceeding expectations for a band this far along in their career?

What Becomes of the Vikings if that was the last NO Gig?

well it sounds like they are not that into it anymore. in the past you might say they will just go in hiatus for a while, but this lot is middle aged now? they probably wont ever come back for recording, maybe the odd gig

more importantly, how will Barney keep fit without his Barney dance?

Come to think of it, look at us... We've all loved them all our lives, for many of us since they started out pretty much, and since then Ian topped himself, the whole thing fell apart, came together again, fell apart again, came together again, fell apart again... Need I go on? What can I say, I'm a fuckin fan, whatever they churn out in the future I'll be buying, slagging off then falling in love with it a couple of months later, and posting shite here, getting pissed with the lads every now and then, going back to Mancland on pilgrimage whether they actually split up or not.... And after all we've been through, to get so fussed about Hooky and Steve being funny in an interview they were probably not taking too seriously (no offence) when they got back together after Ian, after Factory, after drugs, after Rob Gretton, after Steve and Gillian's poor baby.... Do we not LEARN?

spotnick,,,mate ,,, i meant what was the 3rd last gig,,, defo not 98 as they were advertising ally pally,, a brazilian just sounds tooo painfull .

fac443 wrote: Come to think of it, look at us... We've all loved them all our lives, for many of us since they started out pretty much, and since then Ian topped himself, the whole thing fell apart, came together again, fell apart again, came together again, fell apart again... Need I go on? What can I say, I'm a fuckin fan, whatever they churn out in the future I'll be buying, slagging off then falling in love with it a couple of months later, and posting shite here, getting pissed with the lads every now and then, going back to Mancland on pilgrimage whether they actually split up or not.... And after all we've been through, to get so fussed about Hooky and Steve being funny in an interview they were probably not taking too seriously (no offence) when they got back together after Ian, after Factory, after drugs, after Rob Gretton, after Steve and Gillian's poor baby.... Do we not LEARN?

fac443 is on the ball. Don't start crying. One of the most interesting things about NO is that no one knows what they're going to do... probably not even themselves. Just wait and see but in the meantime enjoy.

It´s not gonna happen so soon. After their incredible show in Buenos Aires it is not possible that this could be their last one. We will see them touring again! (you´ll see)

[magenta]shedmonite61[/magenta] wrote: Well, we can only wait and see what's going to happen to our beloved band. I hope they don't quit in 2007 (particularly in Sept.) I will be 21 at that time, and to not going to a club to see NO would be tragedy for me... but if the guys part ways, then I'm fine with that too. I need some time to adjust, though...

I'm surprised that Hooky is pissed off on "Control."

I am very sad to hear this NEWS, too.. I have been thinking about it all day! I do not want to believe it but even if it is true, Hooky will be doing his DJ! I think!! So, we can still go to see him when we turn 21 next year:)

I agree with some of the comments on here.I think Never Say Never.Watching them on stage,the playful banter,and they look like they're enjoying touring now than they've ever done. If anything they want to fuck Warners off.It's like having a partner who demeans you all the time.Get back to releasing singles when THEY want. My first impression so as I saw this thread tonight was...FUCK.Have I just met them all for the first and last time? Why didn't I go to Wolves? When CONTROL comes out,NO will be flavour of the month again,and WARNERS will be counting the coffers.Another compilation?

Oh FFS pull yerself together you's lot.

Catch em at the end of a tour totally knackered and ask em what they were doing next year? I really didnt expect a different response.

If they said ' Oh we are doing a joint headline tour with U2, and releasing one single a month, every second Tuesday, during 2007, and we are currently writing 'Ian Curtis: The Musical', before we release a double album 'Off to the Knackers Yard'.

Then you know they would be splitting up.

Bloody DM fans..

Burt Reynolds wrote: Bloody DM fans..

HOW DARE YOU!!!

Gabo wrote: They'll be back next year, you'll see. Heck, they even had a signing session today, even though there was going to be "no future" after the 18th!

Maybe they are like Los Chalchaleros...

Still I'm thankfull I had the chance to see them live. I'll never forget that!

I hope they won't slipt so I can have the chance to keep listening to New Order for more years to come.

Burt Reynolds wrote: Bloody DM fans..

lol

I think that applies to me too...

Spotnick wrote:

El Jarvo wrote: Regret and Crystal have both appeared since Technique and piss all over anything that appeared on that particular album,

Now come on Al, there must be *one* track out of WFTSC you actually like?

Sure Crystal is very good live, which helps a lot...

i think he means there is better newer new order music than technique.

El Jarvo wrote:

Blunderer wrote: Listen to you all.

I posted about this the other week after the Blackpool show and got slated.

They are finished. Yesterday's Men. They ceased to be relevant after Acid House. Technique was the last record that meant anything. Even when Republic came out they had had their best days.

Shrinking gig attendances. Flagging record sales. Mediocre records. Expanding wastelines.

The sad thing is not that they are quitting now, the sad thing is they did'nt do it 15 years ago before besmirching the memories.

This comes from a 36 year old who has been a lifelong fan.

Bless.

Too many arguments to rip to shreds here but saying they haven't written anything that meant anything since Technique probably sums up where you're coming from. Regret and Crystal have both appeared since Technique and piss all over anything that appeared on that particular album, imho. Which tracks mean anything from Technique I'm still yet to fathom. But if, as you're 36, that's then possibly your first studio album I can see where you're coming from. Sort of.

Shrinking gig attendences? They've just headlined two festivals in South America and sold out two Sao Paulo shows of something like 8 or 9k. They also played to 8k in Brasilia despite the gig only being announced at 3 weeks notice. The recent UK tour was similar in size to their last sizeable UK tour of the 80's - in the summer of 87 - so I'm not entirely sure where that fits in with your logic either.

Flagging record sales? You'll have to remind me how many units everything from Movement to Brotherhood shifted cos even I can't remember. Don't recall those albums making huge dents in the top 10 but I'm sure you were around to correct me otherwise.

Expanding wastelines? (WTF is a waste-line?). 33 year old blokes are generally slimmer than 50 year old blokes. Well. I. Never.

And "ceased to be relevant after Acid House". What on earth is that supposed to mean? And what had Acid House got to do with New Order other than a silly stab at the genre with Fine Time, which thankfully lasted longer than most acieeed did.

Take off the rose-tinted spectacles, now there's a good lad.

El Jarvo wrote:

Blunderer wrote: Listen to you all.

I posted about this the other week after the Blackpool show and got slated.

They are finished. Yesterday's Men. They ceased to be relevant after Acid House. Technique was the last record that meant anything. Even when Republic came out they had had their best days.

Shrinking gig attendances. Flagging record sales. Mediocre records. Expanding wastelines.

The sad thing is not that they are quitting now, the sad thing is they did'nt do it 15 years ago before besmirching the memories.

This comes from a 36 year old who has been a lifelong fan.

Bless.

Too many arguments to rip to shreds here but saying they haven't written anything that meant anything since Technique probably sums up where you're coming from. Regret and Crystal have both appeared since Technique and piss all over anything that appeared on that particular album, imho. Which tracks mean anything from Technique I'm still yet to fathom. But if, as you're 36, that's then possibly your first studio album I can see where you're coming from. Sort of.

Shrinking gig attendences? They've just headlined two festivals in South America and sold out two Sao Paulo shows of something like 8 or 9k. They also played to 8k in Brasilia despite the gig only being announced at 3 weeks notice. The recent UK tour was similar in size to their last sizeable UK tour of the 80's - in the summer of 87 - so I'm not entirely sure where that fits in with your logic either.

Flagging record sales? You'll have to remind me how many units everything from Movement to Brotherhood shifted cos even I can't remember. Don't recall those albums making huge dents in the top 10 but I'm sure you were around to correct me otherwise.

Expanding wastelines? (WTF is a waste-line?). 33 year old blokes are generally slimmer than 50 year old blokes. Well. I. Never.

And "ceased to be relevant after Acid House". What on earth is that supposed to mean? And what had Acid House got to do with New Order other than a silly stab at the genre with Fine Time, which thankfully lasted longer than most acieeed did.

Take off the rose-tinted spectacles, now there's a good lad.

Do Get Ready, Republic and WFTSC mean anything to anyone's lives? They've written some great tracks since but Technique meant something to a good chunk of a generation of people. By the time I got round to seeng them for the first time, it was a 30,000? crowd, a crowd that's supposed to have inspired a magazine that inspired a youth culture. Do the last 13 years honestly have the same impact on your life as the 1st 16?

Blunderer stop blundering.

Hank Wiseass© wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

Blunderer wrote: Listen to you all.

I posted about this the other week after the Blackpool show and got slated.

They are finished. Yesterday's Men. They ceased to be relevant after Acid House. Technique was the last record that meant anything. Even when Republic came out they had had their best days.

Shrinking gig attendances. Flagging record sales. Mediocre records. Expanding wastelines.

The sad thing is not that they are quitting now, the sad thing is they did'nt do it 15 years ago before besmirching the memories.

This comes from a 36 year old who has been a lifelong fan.

Bless.

Too many arguments to rip to shreds here but saying they haven't written anything that meant anything since Technique probably sums up where you're coming from. Regret and Crystal have both appeared since Technique and piss all over anything that appeared on that particular album, imho. Which tracks mean anything from Technique I'm still yet to fathom. But if, as you're 36, that's then possibly your first studio album I can see where you're coming from. Sort of.

Shrinking gig attendences? They've just headlined two festivals in South America and sold out two Sao Paulo shows of something like 8 or 9k. They also played to 8k in Brasilia despite the gig only being announced at 3 weeks notice. The recent UK tour was similar in size to their last sizeable UK tour of the 80's - in the summer of 87 - so I'm not entirely sure where that fits in with your logic either.

Flagging record sales? You'll have to remind me how many units everything from Movement to Brotherhood shifted cos even I can't remember. Don't recall those albums making huge dents in the top 10 but I'm sure you were around to correct me otherwise.

Expanding wastelines? (WTF is a waste-line?). 33 year old blokes are generally slimmer than 50 year old blokes. Well. I. Never.

And "ceased to be relevant after Acid House". What on earth is that supposed to mean? And what had Acid House got to do with New Order other than a silly stab at the genre with Fine Time, which thankfully lasted longer than most acieeed did.

Take off the rose-tinted spectacles, now there's a good lad.

Do Get Ready, Republic and WFTSC mean anything to anyone's lives? They've written some great tracks since but Technique meant something to a good chunk of a generation of people. By the time I got round to seeng them for the first time, it was a 30,000? crowd, a crowd that's supposed to have inspired a magazine that inspired a youth culture. Do the last 13 years honestly have the same impact on your life as the 1st 16?

Those three albums mean a great deal to me, especially Republic and Get Ready and the WFTSC single is a modern masterpiece.

Frankly I'm sick of so called fans dissing this most wonderful band. Especially in a thread commiserating their possible passing. I'm not saying that you have to love their entire output, but please stop making the same inane comments at every possible opportunity. Are you sure you actually are fans?

If you want to live in the past fine. The rest of us love the modern Order.

We don't care that you lost interest in 1989. We still love them.

El Jarvo wrote:

Blunderer wrote: Listen to you all.

I posted about this the other week after the Blackpool show and got slated.

They are finished. Yesterday's Men. They ceased to be relevant after Acid House. Technique was the last record that meant anything. Even when Republic came out they had had their best days.

Shrinking gig attendances. Flagging record sales. Mediocre records. Expanding wastelines.

The sad thing is not that they are quitting now, the sad thing is they did'nt do it 15 years ago before besmirching the memories.

This comes from a 36 year old who has been a lifelong fan.

Bless.

Too many arguments to rip to shreds here but saying they haven't written anything that meant anything since Technique probably sums up where you're coming from. Regret and Crystal have both appeared since Technique and piss all over anything that appeared on that particular album, imho. Which tracks mean anything from Technique I'm still yet to fathom. But if, as you're 36, that's then possibly your first studio album I can see where you're coming from. Sort of.

Been a fan since 83 so youa re way off. Been watching live since 85. So sorry, I was there. Regret and Crystal are OK but are New Order by numbers - and 2 of only 3 good tracks in 18 years. Technique is not their best, nowhere near, but when it came out they still mattered as a band

Shrinking gig attendences? They've just headlined two festivals in South America and sold out two Sao Paulo shows of something like 8 or 9k. They also played to 8k in Brasilia despite the gig only being announced at 3 weeks notice. The recent UK tour was similar in size to their last sizeable UK tour of the 80's - in the summer of 87 - so I'm not entirely sure where that fits in with your logic either.

Summer 87 - GMEX Manchester, sold out weeks in advance.Summer 06,- GMEX, one of several bands on bill, only partially opened due to poor sales.Only 600 in Bournemouth this summer. Gig moved to smaller venue.

Flagging record sales? You'll have to remind me how many units everything from Movement to Brotherhood shifted cos even I can't remember. Don't recall those albums making huge dents in the top 10 but I'm sure you were around to correct me otherwise.

I can't be bothered to research it but I would bet my house that the mast two albums sold nowhere near as many as the two previous. Nowhere near. Record sales are well down.

Expanding wastelines? (WTF is a waste-line?). 33 year old blokes are generally slimmer than 50 year old blokes. Well. I. Never.

You miss the point spectacularly. 33 year old blokes can be on bands. 50 year old shouldn't.

And "ceased to be relevant after Acid House". What on earth is that supposed to mean? And what had Acid House got to do with New Order other than a silly stab at the genre with Fine Time, which thankfully lasted longer than most acieeed did.

This really shows your ignorance. New Order were using synths and drum manchines in 81. Arthur Baker produced them in 83. They were big fans of the New York dance scene in the mid 80s. They played at Paradise Garage in the early 80s. They went to Ibiza late 80s. They were one of the pioneers of bringing dance music structure and texture to rock. Most of the early Acid House pioneers from that era quote New Order as an influnece. They were regulars on the Manchester rave scene. Your comments really made me laugh!

Take off the rose-tinted spectacles, now there's a good lad.

Not rose-tinted, honest and realistic. Grow up, theres a good lad.