Hooky's 'Statement' - Not good news for those holding out for reconciliation — Forum Archive

30 Jul 2007, 04:43

Everyone seems to be getting really upset about a band who haven't made a great album since 1989, and one that we've supported even though they clearly aren't arsed about the fans or each other.

They've been a joke for a while now. Fucking miming on TOTP, Baywatch, etc. Do you actually care anymore?

I could name 10 bands i'd rather have as a going concern than New Order nowdays. The bottom line is they should have gone down with Factory. The whole London/Warner journey has been one disappointment after another.

Since Factory went they've submitted to everything they held out against that made them so special.

Oh, its good to be back! :thumbdown:

30 Jul 2007, 04:48

The Return Of Steve One! wrote: I could name 10 bands i'd rather have as a going concern than New Order nowdays.

Go on then .... :nod:

30 Jul 2007, 04:54

El Jarvo wrote:

john carrington wrote: What I will say is if you leave a group, its logical to not really care about what happens to your old group. Hooky is in danger of ending up like Roger Waters did - Bitter and twisted on the sidelines..

Interesting analogy, re: Roger Waters. Never thought of this in such terms before.

Could u spell it out? Im being thick and dotn get the analogy.

30 Jul 2007, 05:06

El Jarvo wrote:

The Return Of Steve One! wrote: I could name 10 bands i'd rather have as a going concern than New Order nowdays.

Go on then ....

Stone Roses Talking Heads Pink Floyd The The Smashing Pumpkins (have, and it was better than WFTSC or Get Ready) The Cult Happy Mondays (its a mixed bag) The Specials The Smiths The Jam

If any of them were to bring a new album out i'd be more interested in that than another NO album.

30 Jul 2007, 05:07

NO Regret wrote:

El Jarvo wrote: Interesting analogy, re: Roger Waters. Never thought of this in such terms before.

Could u spell it out? Im being thick and dotn get the analogy.

Just really the significance of the individual in the band.

No-one really seems to have given 'a shit' when Gillian left the band, but everyone's up in arms about Hooky's decision to quit saying he 'is/was' New Order's sound.

At the time Waters left Pink Floyd he almost certainly 'was' Pink Floyd too. But he officially quit the band thinking Pink Floyd would simple collapse without him. When it didn't and the others decided to continue he went to the high courts saying he wanted some say in the future use of the name Pink Floyd, etc, but didn't have a case and settled out of court, I think.

That's the basics anyways.

30 Jul 2007, 05:12

The Return Of Steve One! wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

The Return Of Steve One! wrote: I could name 10 bands i'd rather have as a going concern than New Order nowdays.

Go on then ....

Stone Roses Talking Heads Pink Floyd The The Smashing Pumpkins (have, and it was better than WFTSC or Get Ready) The Cult Happy Mondays (its a mixed bag) The Specials The Smiths The Jam

If any of them were to bring a new album out i'd be more interested in that than another NO album.

That's not really fair. Half of them will never produce another record. And you're talking about some bands that haven't existed in 20+ years.

You honestly telling me that the likes of the Jam or the Specials could produce something worthwhile today, given the output of their various incantations since then?! They were simply bands of their time.

You not heard Unkle Dysfunktional then?! Either of the last two New Order offerings piss on that. It's a poor return given some of their previous output.

30 Jul 2007, 05:19

The Return Of Steve One! wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

The Return Of Steve One! wrote: I could name 10 bands i'd rather have as a going concern than New Order nowdays.

Go on then ....

Stone Roses Talking Heads Pink Floyd The The Smashing Pumpkins (have, and it was better than WFTSC or Get Ready) The Cult Happy Mondays (its a mixed bag) The Specials The Smiths The Jam

If any of them were to bring a new album out i'd be more interested in that than another NO album.

Noone of these would. Why should The Jam make an interesting Album now? They had a few good singles. But an album?

30 Jul 2007, 05:19

Yeah i've got the Mondays cd. Think 'Jellybean' is actually good, but i'll give you maybe that was a poor choice. I think the bands listed were fair though because i purposely chose bands that COULD reform.

30 Jul 2007, 05:44

:(

Fook.What a very disappointing & sad end to such an enigmatic,legendary,influential,fookin' great band.Couldn't quite believe what I was reading.& that goes for some of the posts on here too,I got to page two & fookin' gave up,there as fookin' sad as Hookys' statement.People are quick to choose sides & start laying blame when they know absolutely fook all aren't they?! Opinions eh?! :nonono: Tho' it's what makes the world interesting s'pose :shrug:

Fook it :cry:

30 Jul 2007, 06:16

The whole pink floyd analogy holds up if you take the syd barrett/ian curtis similarity too. band continues after losing founder member, to great success, although many fans see the "early stuff" as the best. some fans prefer the new line up's stuff. then, a few years later, one of the founders has a hissy fit and leaves, but gets in a strop when the others want to continue. years of legal wrangles ensue. So hopefully now new order will get stephen hawking to sing on the next album, hooky will do technique live in berlin with an all star cast, and then they'll reform for live aid 3 in about 2015.

30 Jul 2007, 06:24

why does everyone seem to attach so much importance to that one tiny section of his myspace? it's tiny and means nothing and isn't likely to ever get updated, so stop going on as if it's some massive thing that dictates the future of the band!

whatever it means i would like to keep that ..."But am open to negotiation"... since Hooky is open to negotiate with the guys then it's really possible that something good it's gonna happen after all this
misunderstanding or something. i wish so! eh?

30 Jul 2007, 07:38

Now on NME!

:smoking:

30 Jul 2007, 09:14

J wrote: does this mean that peter's been posting here before under robb?

Hooky already posted here a few times, but under Jack's identity.

30 Jul 2007, 09:21

Sam the Stokie wrote: I'll tell you what's confusing me...

Hooky is saying he has left the band but his myspace page still says this underneath the New Order band members section

Peter Hook (1980 - )

Hooky's not in charge of that... Fletch (his agent) is.

30 Jul 2007, 09:31

El Jarvo wrote:

NO Regret wrote:

El Jarvo wrote: Interesting analogy, re: Roger Waters. Never thought of this in such terms before.

Could u spell it out? Im being thick and dotn get the analogy.

Just really the significance of the individual in the band.

No-one really seems to have given 'a shit' when Gillian left the band, but everyone's up in arms about Hooky's decision to quit saying he 'is/was' New Order's sound.

At the time Waters left Pink Floyd he almost certainly 'was' Pink Floyd too. But he officially quit the band thinking Pink Floyd would simple collapse without him. When it didn't and the others decided to continue he went to the high courts saying he wanted some say in the future use of the name Pink Floyd, etc, but didn't have a case and settled out of court, I think.

That's the basics anyways.

Well, Genesis survived Peter Gabriel's departure ;)

But they didn't survive when Phil Collins left.

New Order has 2 musical geniuses in it, they can survive, but the problem will always be the same, they will never be as popular as New Order.

To be honest, I was satisfied with Electronic and Monaco in the 90s, I will still continue to be satisfied if they do release new material.

I'll live with it.

It's sad, but gee, we all know that Hooky wants to tour more and the others are stopping him to do so...

I don't see why people would actually have a problem with this. My only "concern" is that it was made public, they should have kept it secret in some way, I don't really see the point of making it official... you can try to convince yourself it's some kind of publicity stunt, but it's not like it's going to help promoting anything since right now there is nothing to promote!

30 Jul 2007, 09:34

Oh no, this is all getting out of hand (or is it just some cleverly orchestrated wind-up?). Who can knock their collective heads together in that Rob Gretton type way ? Obviously Mr Wilson has more important worries at the moment.

Keith Allen ? Alan Wise ? Paul Morley ? I would say Peter Saville but he'd probably be late with the new font for it.

30 Jul 2007, 09:38

Spotnick wrote:

Sam the Stokie wrote: I'll tell you what's confusing me...

Hooky is saying he has left the band but his myspace page still says this underneath the New Order band members section

Peter Hook (1980 - )

Hooky's not in charge of that... Fletch (his agent) is.

Do you mean, there is a communication problem between Hooky and Fletch, because Hooky said, he announced the split already in February? The MySpace-Page has been installed in May or so.

30 Jul 2007, 09:40

confusion wrote:

Do you mean, there is a communication problem between Hooky and Fletch, because Hooky said, he announced the split already in February? The MySpace-Page have been installed in May or so.

I think they are mostly clueless on how it works :lol:

Remember, they needed a "technical guy" to put the songs online :wink:

30 Jul 2007, 10:03

If they have a court case over the name does that put a stop to any releases (new or old) in the name of NewOrder ?

No forthcoming Live DVDs ? The Control Soundtrack ? Even JD reissues ?

Ho hum.

:banghead:

30 Jul 2007, 10:08

HaciendaThat wrote: If they have a court case over the name does that put a stop to any releases (new or old) in the name of NewOrder ?

No forthcoming Live DVDs ? The Control Soundtrack ? Even JD reissues ?

Ho hum.

As far as I know, the Control Soundtrack will be released under the name "Joy Division"...

So I guess Debbie agreed.

There is no issue on releasing old material since it belongs to the label. New Order doesn't own anything since Factory bankrupted I believe. Maybe they own from 1993 to now, I have no idea.

30 Jul 2007, 12:03

I'm not sure putting this stuff does anyone in the band any favours and drives a wedge further between them all.

When Gillian left, I think we should remember it was because one of her children was ill, and she decided to look after them - an admirable reason to depart, and, as far as I know, there was no row or disagreement between GG and the rest of the group (hence her appearance at the 2005 Alexandra Palace awards show). With Hooky, it's rather more public.

I hope everyone can work this out without lawyers, they are expensive.

30 Jul 2007, 12:43

I think some people might have to realize that maybe Hooky is the only one who cares about doing new material right now.

Seriously, back in 1990, Bernard was working on Electronic, and we have not heard at all any collaborations or ideas or anything concerning Bernard up to this point. I'm not saying there isn't, but if there is, it's well hidden.

Meanwhile, Hooky is "touring", and working on his own projects... he's the one who usually wants New Order to go on tour, etc.

AFAIK, Bernard didn't get involved in the Control soundtrack much according to what I read on here, I have no idea if it's true.

But doesn't explain why Hooky wants to quit New Order, it's not like the band was going in studio next month or planning any gigs... :scratch:

30 Jul 2007, 12:51

Spotnick wrote:

But doesn't explain why Hooky wants to quit New Order, it's not like the band was going in studio next month or planning any gigs...

That's the bit I don't get, what harm is there in 'New Order' existing even if there are no plans to record or tour, it can just be there in the future if they need it.

30 Jul 2007, 13:16

Spotnick wrote: I think some people might have to realize that maybe Hooky is the only one who cares about doing new material right now.

Seriously, back in 1990, Bernard was working on Electronic, and we have not heard at all any collaborations or ideas or anything concerning Bernard up to this point. I'm not saying there isn't, but if there is, it's well hidden.

Think you're jumping the gun there, Nicos!

Barney will have solo material out before Freebass release anything. :nod:

30 Jul 2007, 13:38

El Jarvo wrote:

Spotnick wrote: I think some people might have to realize that maybe Hooky is the only one who cares about doing new material right now.

Seriously, back in 1990, Bernard was working on Electronic, and we have not heard at all any collaborations or ideas or anything concerning Bernard up to this point. I'm not saying there isn't, but if there is, it's well hidden.

Think you're jumping the gun there, Nicos!

Barney will have solo material out before Freebass release anything.

But will it be any good? NO without Hooky is like betting all your cash on a three legged donkey at Ascot.

:bag:

30 Jul 2007, 13:39

BillONdollar wrote:

FIRST of all, NEVER call SAN FRANCISCO, frisco! it's NOT FRISCO. There's is NO short name for SAN FRANCISCO.

:abovelol:

What about SF?

From LA.

30 Jul 2007, 13:41

BillONdollar wrote: FIRST of all, NEVER call SAN FRANCISCO, frisco! it's NOT FRISCO. There's is NO short name for SAN FRANCISCO.

Most folk call San Francisco "Frisco" over here! :shrug:

30 Jul 2007, 13:42

Vince Se wrote:

BillONdollar wrote:

FIRST of all, NEVER call SAN FRANCISCO, frisco! it's NOT FRISCO. There's is NO short name for SAN FRANCISCO.

What about SF?

From LA.

Funny, everyone around here just calls it "The City." But I prefer Frisco, because it a) sounds like something a 19th Century sailor would say, and b) pisses off self-important twats (and San Francisco is built upon them).

30 Jul 2007, 13:47

This ordeal is making me nauseous.

Then again, human inter-relationship dynamics is that complex. We can't certainly force the three of them to work together if things are bitter, or so it appears.

In some strange ways, I kind of wished I never read about the split-orama. My memories of newOrder was meeting them at LAX before they departed for England and at the hotel lobby in Beverly Hills. On both occasions, I was the only fan there and I was thrilled, overjoyed, blessed etc. Everyone was happy and the band even listened to me hyperventilate about why I love newOrder.

I am back to my lurking mode...

30 Jul 2007, 13:49

Vince Se wrote: This ordeal is making me nauseous.

Then again, human inter-relationship dynamics is that complex. We can't certainly force the three of them to work together if things are bitter, or so it appears.

In some strange ways, I kind of wished I never read about the split-orama. My memories of newOrder was meeting them at LAX before they departed for England and at the hotel lobby in Beverly Hills. On both occasions, I was the only fan there and I was thrilled, overjoyed, blessed etc. Everyone was happy and the band even listened to me hyperventilate about why I love newOrder.

I am back to my lurking mode...

then was 2 of 3... :lol: