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Has anyone noticed that you hardly ever see Al and Steve in the same place? Has anyone considered that they may be the SAME PERSON?!?!?!

(I have seen them at the same gigs a couple of times, but that could be done with mirrors or a stand-in or something.)

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The last minute or so of Poisonous Intent sounds like Duran Duran, vocally as well as musically IMO :crazy:

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Toolbox wrote: Has anyone noticed that you hardly ever see Al and Steve in the same place? Has anyone considered that they may be the SAME PERSON?!?!?!

Don't be daft.

Everyone knows it's johnny james*

Don't care if you pretend to have met the 'real' johnny james, I for one don't believe you. You've been fibbing.

* Obviously, it's not really, it's defo Linus.

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RM wrote: I have bought the album but all this downloading thief element i leave to my son!So as i have got it fom Amazon will probably be several days after release before i hear it.I don't really get excited about much music these days.Ain't purchased any remasters neither but that's only because i don't even listen to the originals much.Life got much better for me several years ago and i have moved on a bit.Probably Sink again but who cares? :rolleyes:

AND Major T says.... "I have only heard 'Sink or Swim' and will wait for my CD i've BOUGHT before I give my views on this album!

I seem to be in the minority these days with my views on illegal downloading..."

...and i say... A BIG minority report indeed!:thumb: :hat:

Plus i don't know how to do it!:lol: :blackeye:

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I don't download illegally, I think it's bullshit, but that's an argument that's been done to death. I've never heard an argument for it that stands to critical thinking, but if anyone's up for a debate on it I'm game.

Though I can see it if you paid for the album and are just waiting for it to arrive in the mail.

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FtotheDoubleOff wrote: I don't download illegally, I think it's bullshit, but that's an argument that's been done to death. I've never heard an argument for it that stands to critical thinking, but if anyone's up for a debate on it I'm game.

Do you do anything illegally?

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Me sir me...EVERYTHING else.:laugh:

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runwild wrote:

Zachery Starkey wrote:

Walk on Silver Water sounds really good, reminds me of Get the Message/

I hear a George Micheal song.

I like George Micheal.

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I finally posted my review... so for the benefit of everybody still aware, here it is:

As a New Order fan, you have to have mixed feelings when you are about to listen to Bad Lieutenant's first LP Never Cry Another Tear (released in UK on October 5th), you're sure you won't like it because it's not New Order and wish for them to come back, but then you watch the video for Sink or Swim, the album opener and first single off the album (which you can view here and suddenly it looks like it's New Order circa 2005 with the obvious missing bass god.

And this is what you get from listening to the album, you find yourself expecting Hooky's bass at specific places in songs and it's nowhere to be found or it's replaced by guitar and you know it would have been amazing featuring Hooky instead.

But, we had that feeling earlier with Electronic material, so it's not new for the New Order fan, while Monaco was Hooky's bass, and as close to Bernard Sumner's vocal David Potts can be, he's not Bernard Sumner, and it's nothing against David which I met and talked with when we collaborated on the Community tribute project.

Overall, Never Cry Another Tear is exactly like all material coming from Bernard Sumner, you are not sure if you enjoy it, but the more you listen to it, the more you actually enjoy it. It's always hard to detect the input of other band members Phil Cunningham and Jake Evans, as it seems every song in there could have been written by New Order, but that was also the case with Johnny Marr's work with Electronic, we never really how which percentage is Bernard Sumner, but that album has obviously his touch all over it. You can't be a Manchester legend and let the others drive the show!

For the New Order fan, if you followed the band on their UK tour like I did in 2006, you will maybe remember Jake Evans from the support band Rambo and Leroy, which was supporting New order in Wolverhampton. Many of us were in the pub at that time sadly.

Now on with the album and the track by track reviews of the promo I received.

Sink or Swin

We first experienced this song via an acoustic version played on TV, but I'm forced to admit that the album version is very catchy and is the perfect first single of the album. The guitar is very catchy on it, and you can clearly remember Bernard Sumner's lyrics. The only problem this track will suffer is the obvious New Order comparison, you will always wonder "what if" that guitar line was Hooky, but deal with it, it's not going to happen. That song also reminds me a lot of This Time I'm not wrong that Bernard did with former incarnation of Doves, Sub-Sub. This will (and should) diserve airplay as this is the obvious standout track of the album. *****

Twist of Fate

This is probably the 2nd strongest track of the album, and the one song on this album you wish New Order would have done, this is "the" New Order track of the album, and even worst, there IS a Hooky-style bass solo in it. If this is not the second single off the album, I won't understand it. This track could have been on Get Ready or Waiting For The Sirens Call, and would be put a few songs to shame, but the solo at 2:45 is so making you regret Peter Hook was not there, that's going to be difficult to adapt to it. *****

Summer Days On Holiday

After a few listens to this track, I have to say it reminds me a lot to the music style of New Order's B-Side Behind Closed Doors which was the B-Side of Crystal. It features Jake on vocals for the chorus and it works well, Bernard's part is a bit generic though. Also, listen to that with the bass bosted, and tell me the bassline isn't very close to The Cure's Lovesong. ***

This Is Home

Featuring Jake on vocals, and Bernard on chorus.. and once again, it works very well. The major problem I had with this song is that after a few listens Maybe it's just me, but I found it very similar. Musically this song songs really like something The Cure would have done, if the previous track had the bassline very similar to Lovesong, this one has the guitar. But I actually enjoy this track a lot. ****

Runaway

If you always wondered why New Order never really manage to write a ballad, or that when they did songs like that, such as Run Wild, it never really worked for you.. well, for me anyways.. it seems Bernard's vocals are just not meant to be on such songs. This is the slow song of the album, it's not bad, but it's not one of my favorite. It sounds a bit like something Coldplay would do. The guitars on that track was pretty good though. Give it a few tries, might grow on you. ***

Running Out of Luck

Sounds mostly like a New Order B-Side, but the highlight of this song is the obvious place you'd hear Hooky's bass once again. I told you it would be a hard habit to overcome, but once again it's rather evident. This song has very good musical bits in it, strangely it's the vocal melody that makes it average for me, but the ending is very good. ***

Dynamo

It's an ok track, doesn't stand out really. I have a feeling this song will be very good live. ***

Poisonious Intent

Probably the less New Order sounding track of the album. Although we had various styles with New Order when they did Rock The Shack and I Told You so. It's an ok track, but it doesn't stand out. ***

Shine Like The Sun

This is a very interesting track, it's Jake on vocals, it reminds me of Love Vigilantes, and not only because of the small bits of Melodica. When members of NOOL say Jake sounds like the singer from Doves, this is probably the best proof here. The funny thing is I really think this track would fit perfect on Monaco's 2nd album. *** 1/2

Head Into Tomorrow

Obviously this doesn't sound like New Order at all, but the song is beautiful. This sounds like something Oasis would do. Good think I like Oasis. The guitar work is amazing, and Jake's vocals are very good. Makes you wonder what Steve will do live if they play this track, as there is no drums at all. ****

So overall, this is a good album, on first listens you might have more trouble with the 2nd part of the album, because the album starts with the 2 strongest tracks in my humble opinion, so it's hard to make up for it. But it passed the car test, if you can put the CD in your car and put it on repeat all the time, it's a good sign.. of course I sometimes skipped back to Sink or Swim because it's a monster track and sounds amazing when played loud.

So, for the New Order fan, this is a must. If you enjoy Jake's vocals, a little reminder that his band Rambo and Leroy will release a new album soon and that we will talk about it on NewOrderOnline now that he's officially in the "circle of friends".

NOOL Overall Rating: ****

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You know which song I mean? It's a great song indeed.

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Good review Nic. *** for Runaway? It would be a dull world if we all liked the same thing, isn't it?

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Toolbox wrote: Good review Nic. *** for Runaway? It would be a dull world if we all liked the same thing, isn't it?

Just not my cup of tea, it happens.

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Spotnick wrote: Poisonious Intent

Probably the less New Order sounding track of the album. Although we had various styles with New Order when they did Rock The Shack and I Told You so. It's an ok track, but it doesn't stand out. ***

Berlimey.

This is the one track on the album I think smacks of New Order. Well, almost.

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I don't hear ANY similarities to The Cure.

I'm sure Bernard would never consciously imitate them....actually not even subconsciously!

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Bruuuue Mundaaee wrote: I don't hear ANY similarities to The Cure.

I'm sure Bernard would never consciously imitate them....actually not even subconsciously!

I'm not talking about imitate here, just similarities.

It's always been the case with both band's material anyways.

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any chance of a Bad Lieutenant forum, Nic? Get rid of all these drivel threads about them and their crap music which are clogging up this place onto there

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johnny wrote: any chance of a Bad Lieutenant forum, Nic? Get rid of all these drivel threads about them and their crap music which are clogging up this place onto there

:rofl:

:spit:

:smoking:

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Funny... a lot of different opinions about this... some say it is a guitar record, while others compare to Republic melodies.

To me, the first couple times I listened, Never Cry Another Tear sounded rather bland with alot of mediocre Doves imitation style guitar, and weak uninspired banal lyrics. After listening a few times the Sumner style keyboards and melody become much more memorable and overshadow the forgettable guitar, and I started to warm to the songs. Still wouldn't call it a great album.

I think that "Poisonous Intent" is the most New Order-like song, and has the best lyrics. The best song on the record.

If Bernard is proud of the lyrics on "Sink or Swim" or "Dynamo", makes you wonder where his head's at.

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Zachery Starkey wrote:

runwild wrote:

Zachery Starkey wrote:

Walk on Silver Water sounds really good, reminds me of Get the Message/

I hear a George Micheal song.

I like George Micheal.

George Michael may well like you too.

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Spotnick wrote: Running Out of Luck Sounds mostly like a New Order B-Side

I wish that were so. The last time they did a B-side as good as this was 1987. Although for me, the outro doesn’t work. Most of the arrangements on the album are pleasingly (and surprisingly) concise, but I think this one goes on a minute too long.

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Tony Casanova wrote:

Spotnick wrote: Running Out of Luck Sounds mostly like a New Order B-Side

I wish that were so. The last time they did a B-side as good as this was 1987. Although for me, the outro doesn’t work. Most of the arrangements on the album are pleasingly (and surprisingly) concise, but I think this one goes on a minute too long.

don't you mean 1967? :laugh:

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Spotnick wrote:

For the New Order fan, if you followed the band on their UK tour like I did in 2006, you will maybe remember Jake Evans from the support band Rambo and Leroy, which was supporting New order in Wolverhampton. Many of us were in the pub at that time sadly.

was there anyone not in the pub from here?

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johnny wrote: any chance of a Bad Lieutenant forum, Nic? Get rid of all these drivel threads about them and their crap music which are clogging up this place onto there

Their own forum?

Fcuk 'em. They can fork out for their own website! :lol: :uhoh:

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Spotnick wrote: It's always hard to detect the input of other band members Phil Cunningham and Jake Evans, as it seems every song in there could have been written by New Order, but that was also the case with Johnny Marr's work with Electronic, we never really how which percentage is Bernard Sumner, but that album has obviously his touch all over it.

Really? For me it's quite obvious that Shine like the sun and Head into tomorrow are songs from a different hand.

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Head into tomorrow sounds like a Led Zeppelin tribute band to me.

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I have been listening to this album for about 2 weeks straight and all I have to say is what a GREAT album.

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Every time I listen to Dynamo I become more convinced that it has to be Bernard's worst performance lyrically, ever.

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Took quite a while to get into,and obviously you try and make comparisons with new order.

This album could have done with hooks bass on it though,oh well.

Several good track on there esp poisonous intent,dynamo and for some starnge reason i find myself loving summer days on holiday?

Was going to to a full blown review :brow: but its already been said.

Have to say though love the guitar from start to finish.

:nuts:

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linus sulanki wrote: I have been listening to this album for about 2 weeks straight and all I have to say is what a GREAT album.

Me too. For me this is the best album of NO, Electronic en whatever there was together. The mood is excellent, the lyrics are excellent en the music is excellent. 5 stars out of 5.

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joe davola wrote: Bernard's problem is that people, especially new fans who discovered New Order's back catalogue in the 00ies, expect something as groundbreaking as New Order were in the 80ies. A new EGG or Perfect Kiss. But he's 53, obviously a Neil Young fan, and all he wants to do are some perfect, well crafted pop songs for frustrated broken 40-somethings stuck in their offices. I think it's OK what's he's doing, I even pretty like some of the songs on the album, at least he's not milking his legendary past. But don't expect him to be something he is not anymore.

Well, I maybe not from 00ies, but from 90ies (they managed to get me with The Best and The Rest before going into oblivion) so love Electronic (and Twisted Tenderness, and all the 90's staff from all NO side projects)... But still would appreciate another piece of something like lovely 586 :crazy: IMHO Bernard moving in the right direction is quite capable of producing another let's say Blue Monday :nod:

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