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Do they think that without Hooky it was not possible to have a crowded venue?
Do they need more rehearsal time to get ready for a bigger audience?
Do they want to show Hooky that New Order is still strong without him?
Don't they want to have trouble with lawyers?
Tell what's on your mind! 
It is plain to see that we bastards prefer New Order than any other member of the band? Is that right?
If it was Bernard who left, would it be the same?
Is a 2,300 seat venue really considered that small? That's a fairly large mid sized venue, seems an appropriate size venue for New Order.
Proof of concept.
They couldn't shift 500 tickets for 4/5ths the same band in Sheffield at £17.50 a pop.
Change the guitarist for a keyboard player, put a new name on, and you can sell 5 times the number of tickets at twice the price.
Slight difference, that was for Bad L where you hoped you would hear some New Order stuff (and did). This is New Order without the ego where you know you will hear New Order stuff. So not sure your proof of concept works to be honest
mark reed wrote: Proof of concept.
They couldn't shift 500 tickets for 4/5ths the same band in Sheffield at £17.50 a pop.
Change the guitarist for a keyboard player, put a new name on, and you can sell 5 times the number of tickets at twice the price.
Well... its probably name recognition more than anything else. I didn't see Bad Lieu as a "new" band as such anyway, just a renamed version of New Order with a slightly new line up.
Fair enough view - I was the opposite though - I liked a number of tracks off their album and with Jake and Tom it did feel different at the 3 gigs I went to paticulaly when Jake sang
mark reed wrote: Well... its probably name recognition more than anything else. I didn't see Bad Lieu as a "new" band as such anyway, just a renamed version of New Order with a slightly new line up.
It did feel different, but not that much. When Gillian left and Phil and his geetar came in it was different. When Hooky left.. and it was called Bad Lieu it was different. But NO evolved, be they called BL, NO, etc., with slightly changing lineups.
That said, if BL had played under the name NO, and "Never Cry Another Tear" came out under the name NO, you can bet they'd've sold twice as many tickets as Bad Lieutenant did, albeit on the strength of an album everyone would've said was bobbins.
Now thats a very good point and I reckon your right.
mark reed wrote: It did feel different, but not that much. When Gillian left and Phil and his geetar came in it was different. When Hooky left.. and it was called Bad Lieu it was different. But NO evolved, be they called BL, NO, etc., with slightly changing lineups.
That said, if BL had played under the name NO, and "Never Cry Another Tear" came out under the name NO, you can bet they'd've sold twice as many tickets as Bad Lieutenant did, albeit on the strength of an album everyone would've said was bobbins.
Better atmosphere in a smaller venue possibly, as well as being more profitable. Atmosphere at gigs is big thing nowadays as its the main money grabber for bands now and if people are willing to pay the money to see them you have to give them a good show.
Bands cant afford to play in front of a dozen people or half empty arenas anymore if they want to keep playing.
Its an awful pity though.
Small venues are the domain of those bands who have fallen from grace and just want to start from the botom again.......or alternatively it could be a way for Bernard and Co to re-connect with their audience in a manner that at least means they could see the whites of each other's eyes (and the fillings in the teeth when everybody opens their gobs to sing along.)
At least they're not The Cure.... doing ten hour long sets and shows so long that sleeping bags are on sale at the merchandise store.
paris was good but as for the after show party crap was dancing with gillian an her sister arthur baker and steve arguing over who was djing next and 12 euro for a beer joke fucking frogs
krafty1963 wrote: paris was good but as for the after show party crap was dancing with gillian an her sister arthur baker and steve arguing over who was djing next and 12 euro for a beer joke fucking frogs
oh dear, that sounds rather desperate.
Tracking venues capacity,
Brusells.... 2000 seats Paris..........1500 London......2600
Buenos Aires...4700 !!
What about Brazil and Chile? Check please and tell us.
Emilio Roqueta wrote: Tracking venues capacity,
Brusells.... 2000 seats Paris..........1500 London......2600
Buenos Aires...4700 !!
What about Brazil and Chile? Check please and tell us.
Brazil will be a festival gig. Outdoor venue. Same where Sao Paulo Carnaval happens. Not comparable.
Manchester apollo must be no more than 3,000 capacity and must be largest you get without doing arenas
Seems right sized venues to me......
As ever, their operations seem a bit haphazard and chaotic. If you were looking to maximise impact and revennue presumably you'd have timed the gigs to coincide with a release, e.g. Total.
If they'd have done that you'd have hoped they could have aimed for a venue like Brixton Academy (capacity 4,921), which is just a brilliant venue, one they've played very successfully over the years and frankly (from a selfish point of view) just more accessible for fans.
Barry Noble wrote: As ever, their operations seem a bit haphazard and chaotic. If you were looking to maximise impact and revennue presumably you'd have timed the gigs to coincide with a release, e.g. Total.
I think, this time around, their modus operandi has proved to be anything but haphazard and chaotic. Quite the opposite in fact.
They've got two gigs 'for charidee' under their belts, out of the way of the British public. They've brought back crowd pleasers (586, Age of Consent), updated other tracks (True Faith, Temptation) and now also have a video backdrop to match each track. They're now off to do reasonably big gigs in South America, again away from the glaring eye of the British public. And, for their first sojourn on UK shores in 5 years, they've picked a slightly 'leftfield' venue, but it's on a Saturday and reasonably central so anyone wishing to travel can't really complain too much. Playing the likes of the Troxy has almost certainly created a far bigger buzz than simply playing the likes of Brixton Academy / Manchester Apollo could ever have done.
There'll doubtless be more one-off dates to follow this, again building the hype, with the lucrative festival spots next summer.
I think they've probably got their plans spot on this time around.
Despite the high esteem we all hold New Order in I doubt they'd sell enough tickets these days for a stadium tour.
Makes sense, start off small and see if the interest is still there.
And, for all the criticism he got for the way he went about it, Hooky was right about this all along.
So was he also right about the twatty way they dealt with him? If so Im not sure if I wouldnt also be calling everyone a cunt too.
Gene wrote: Despite the high esteem we all hold New Order in I doubt they'd sell enough tickets these days for a stadium tour.
They've never done a stadium tour though. Not on these shores. Gigs at the likes of G-Mex and Wembley were done as one-offs at the very peak of their zenith.
I think most people here would turn their noses up at having to see New Order in aircraft hangars.
One-off gigs ... on Saturdays ... in mid-sized venues ... is the future (I hope!)
El Jarvo wrote:
One-off gigs ... on Saturdays ... in mid-sized venues ... is the future (I hope!)
Hear, hear!
El Jarvo wrote:
Gene wrote: Despite the high esteem we all hold New Order in I doubt they'd sell enough tickets these days for a stadium tour.
They've never done a stadium tour though. Not on these shores. Gigs at the likes of G-Mex and Wembley were done as one-offs at the very peak of their zenith.
I think most people here would turn their noses up at having to see New Order in aircraft hangars.
One-off gigs ... on Saturdays ... in mid-sized venues ... is the future (I hope!)
Maybe bigger doesn't always mean better.
Except for some outdoor festival shows, which I assume they will do next year... does any band really like playing in large arenas, other than dicks like U2? Does any fan like watching shows in large arenas? Maybe Bernard will tour more if the gigs are more fun, rather than larger.
