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one of my friends started up the perpetual north/south debate via e-mail and explained that southern england was better because it produced better bands, such as radiohead, pink floyd and queen. from the north, along with the 'highly over-rated beatles', one of his examples of a crap band was 'wanky' new order.

so, if anyone meets GARETH STRACHAN from BEDFORDSHIRE at some point in the near future, give him a good smack on the head for me, as i'm too far away to do it right now. just don't hurt him too bad, as deep down he is a really nice guy.

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Excuse me!!! :scratch:

Is there anything wankier than Pink Floyd or Queen!

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dont worry people from bedford shire are interbred any way. most people dont listen or even know new order, because the ones who do have special taste and knowledge.

we are the special kind.......

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:clap: best thread title ever :clap:

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That's because New Order will never be as deep, artistic, and meaningfull as a song about "fat bottom girls".

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Originally posted by AgentWood so, if anyone meets GARETH STRACHAN from BEDFORDSHIRE at some point in the near future, give him a good smack on the head for me, as i'm too far away to do it right now. just don't hurt him too bad, as deep down he is a really nice guy.

Is he ginger like his old man ?

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he's blonde, actually.... though he seems to be losing it prematurely. must be from listening to queen.:D

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beatles overrated ? yeah right. I'll defend the early Floyd material with Syd but of course the rest of it is indeed a wankfest.

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a few months ago, i managed to bump onto that skinny chap from CARTER USM ( not Fruitbat ).....anyway...he said New Order's music great, especially Get Ready buthe thought Barney was a bit of a snob ...or wanker..can't remember now...

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I like Queen and old Floyd.

NewOrder is cool.

:D:D:D:D:D:D anita

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just list the Manchester bands to start with, c'mon, what a silly argument...

seems like alot of people in the USA always think of New Order like a wanky lesser followers of Depeche Mode and The Cure... that always pisses me off!

...thou you gotta admit Robert Smith and Gillian have always looked suspiciously alike! hmmm...

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Another thread awards nominee :D

Good work AgentWood !

:clap:

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He obviously "wants to break free" :evil:

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I like Queen.....There. I've said it. Let the slagging commence.

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What´s that thing you hold on your hand in your avatar Grahame?

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Here in the USA in the south we have people who still listen to green grass and high tides and freebird. those of you in Engerland would totally flip at what its like there. Neaderfucks who like both kinds of music: Country AND Western.

His may not make sense, but what does now that George Bush controls Congress.

Oh, you were talking about england,,,,,,,I think it doesnt make a diff, you should judge a band on what they sound like Ever hear of FischerSpooner?

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Originally posted by Budvar Huber What´s that thing you hold on your hand in your avatar Grahame?

It's a hot meat pie in a bag. I've only ever seen them in Australia and felt the need to get a photie of one! Tastes great at 3AM after ten pints of Castlemaine.

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Originally posted by Grahame&nbspFerguson I like Queen.....There. I've said it. Let the slagging commence.

:nonono: YOU like The Queen? didnae think any timmites liked The Queen.......the hunnites on the other hand;)

North / South debate on who has the best bands?

London : Chas n Dave Liverpool : Cast

1-0 to London.....who's next:D

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south - the wurzels north - lindisfarne

draw.

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Originally posted by AgentWood one of my friends started up the perpetual north/south debate via e-mail and explained that southern england was better because it produced better bands, such as radiohead, pink floyd and queen. from the north, along with the 'highly over-rated beatles', one of his examples of a crap band was 'wanky' new order.so, if anyone meets GARETH STRACHAN from BEDFORDSHIRE at some point in the near future, give him a good smack on the head for me, as i'm too far away to do it right now. just don't hurt him too bad, as deep down he is a really nice guy.

What!!

Speaking as a southerner, tell your friend to stop embarassing me by reminding me of all the rubbish we're responsible for. Pink Floyd? Queen??? Radiohead are kind of tolerable, despite being decidedly public-school angsty. He could at least have had the decency to mention the Clash (OK, right-on rebel poseurs, but they were just so _good_ at posing).

As it is I console myself by arguing that its not 'the North' in general that kicks our arse, just Manchester.

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yes NO are wankers and so are there fans so who gives a fuck, the worlds full of wankers now anyway...

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Originally posted by ed verrilla Here in the USA in the south we have people who still listen to green grass and high tides and freebird. those of you in Engerland would totally flip at what its like there.Neaderfucks who like both kinds of music: Country AND Western.His may not make sense, but what does now that George Bush controls Congress.

Yet another eloquent post from our good friend. Generalizing about an entire group, again...

glad to see you are such an open minded person...

if the South is so bad, why do so many northerners keep moving down here??? Is it because they wish to be closer to "both kinds of music: Country AND Western"?

oh wait, I've got it, you lot are coming down here to civilize us...thanks, now I understand everything!!!

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machester.... so much to answer for.....

whereas the south - Flowered up - enough said

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Originally posted by teleharmonium beatles overrated ? yeah right.I'll defend the early Floyd material with Syd but of course the rest of it is indeed a wankfest.

i really like pink floyd, but the jury's still out on queen. radiohead are fantastic. however, how can anyone slag off the beatles??

anyone met GARETH STRACHAN yet? :D

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Originally posted by ed verrilla Here in the USA in the south we have people who still listen to green grass and high tides and freebird. those of you in Engerland would totally flip at what its like there.Neaderfucks who like both kinds of music: Country AND Western.His may not make sense, but what does now that George Bush controls Congress.Oh, you were talking about england,,,,,,,I think it doesnt make a diff, you should judge a band on what they sound likeEver hear of FischerSpooner?

and Ed...did I mention that I think you are a twat, a twit, and a wanker???

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Yes, God forbid someone should have a different opinion than you. Jeez.

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Originally posted by The Magical Mystery Tour > Originally posted by ed verrilla> Here in the USA in the south we have people who still listen to green grass and high tides and freebird. those of you in Engerland would totally flip at what its like there.> Neaderfucks who like both kinds of music: Country AND Western.> > His may not make sense, but what does now that George Bush controls Congress.> > Oh, you were talking about england,,,,,,,I think it doesnt make a diff, you should judge a band on what they sound like> Ever hear of FischerSpooner?

and Ed...did I mention that I think you are a twat, a twit, and a wanker???

ok, gentlemen. this is just a silly thread about a mate of mine! let's not start up a :violent::blaster:!

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Before playing the BLT video on MTV's 120 Minutes once, a short interview clip with Barney aired.

"When I was young, the only thing I was interested in was art. As soon as I discovered masterbation, I lost interest in art, 'cause I thought that was the only thing I really enyoyed doing."

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..............Jeff brings the ball up court with Ed playing Tenacious D........Jeff crosses half court with Ed trying to keep pace......Jeff makes a hard cross-over move that breaks Ed's ankles......Jeff purposely steps BACK behind the 3 pt. line and hoists an area code "J" right in Ed's grill..........SWISH!!!! Jeff finds nothing but the bottom of the net...... BOOO-YAAAHHH!!!

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Originally posted by pumped full of drugs ...seems like a lot of people in the USA always think of New Order like a wanky lesser followers of Depeche Mode and The Cure... that always pisses me off!...

The people in the USA who think that don't know their asses from a hole in the ground. I was never much of a Mode or Cure fan myself.

:D:D:D:D:D:D anita

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Originally posted by shaun carruthers dont worry people from bedford shire are interbred any way.

[Ahem]. I'm Beds born and bred. :nonono:

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Originally posted by The Happy One > Originally posted by ed verrilla> Here in the USA in the south we have people who still listen to green grass and high tides and freebird. those of you in Engerland would totally flip at what its like there.> Neaderfucks who like both kinds of music: Country AND Western.> > His may not make sense, but what does now that George Bush controls Congress.> > Oh, you were talking about england,,,,,,,I think it doesnt make a diff, you should judge a band on what they sound like> Ever hear of FischerSpooner?

and Ed...did I mention that I think you are a twat, a twit, and a wanker???

Jeff, ed, etc...let's try to get along...i have lived in the north and the south and from my experience, what Ed said does have a lot of truth...you cannot go to a concert or bar without hearing Freebird coming from the jukebox or some assholes mouth...In louisiana I was considered a FAGGOT just for listening to NewOrder. That attitude is still rampant down there and that's why I will not return...the culture in the south is YEARS behind the culture on either coast of the US. I never want to be in the south again and i suggest those of you stuck in "the south shall rise again" mentality get out a bit and check out how the rest of the world operates. Since i've been out of louisiana i have not seen any David Duke (kkk politician in Louisiana) stickers, no rebel flags, no 'South shall rise again' paraphanelia and i do not need a Wal Mart to do my shopping....

Wasn't the topic music from the South vs. North in England anyway? North all the way for me....Manchester in particular but the shoegazers from the midlands also turned a couple switches for me...

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Hey there BLT,

Just a couple of things.....

I can only imagine what it must have been like to grow up among the 'coon asses. WE make fun of them. Now, this is not to say that there are not PLENTY of redneck enclaves in Texas, BUT, one may find civility and dare I say progressive enlightenment in the larger municipalities..........."we" elected Ann Richards governor for goodness sake!

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Wasn't it Ann Richards who said "If the King's English was good enough for Jesus, then it's good enough for me!" ?

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Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by shaun carruthers> dont worry people from bedford shire are interbred any way.

[Ahem]. I'm Beds born and bred. :nonono:

say no more eh al!!! now i know why your such a ........!

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Originally posted by shaun carruthers > Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by shaun carruthers> dont worry people from bedford shire are interbred any way.

[Ahem]. I'm Beds born and bred. :nonono:

say no more eh al!!! now i know why your such a ........!

Why, you're such a charmer, shaun carruthers.. . :blush:

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Originally posted by Monkeys in a Bubble Wasn't it Ann Richards who said "If the King's English was good enough for Jesus, then it's good enough for me!" ?

no, it was some man (not sure where from) in the house of representatives during a discussion on whether english should be the official language of the U.S.

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Originally posted by AgentWood > Originally posted by Monkeys in a Bubble> Wasn't it Ann Richards who said "If the King's English was good enough for Jesus, then it's good enough for me!" ?

no, it was some man (not sure where from) in the house of representatives during a discussion on whether english should be the official language of the U.S.

Actually, Ann's most famous quote was, "Poor George (President George H.W. Bush - 41), he can't help himself. He was born with a silver foot in his mouth." - DNC National Convention 1992.

That quote alone sunk her bid for re-election for governor in the state of Texas. How sweet it must have been for George W. Bush to beat her sorry arse.

I guess Ann Richards was born with a booze soaked foot in HER mouth.

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Originally posted by Michael McDermott > Originally posted by AgentWood> > > > Originally posted by Monkeys in a Bubble> > Wasn't it Ann Richards who said "If the King's English was good enough for Jesus, then it's good enough for me!" ?>

no, it was some man (not sure where from) in the house of representatives during a discussion on whether english should be the official language of the U.S.

Actually, Ann's most famous quote was, "Poor George (President George H.W. Bush - 41), he can't help himself. He was born with a silver foot in his mouth." - DNC National Convention 1992.

That quote alone sunk her bid for re-election for governor in the state of Texas. How sweet it must have been for George W. Bush to beat her sorry arse.

I guess Ann Richards was born with a booze soaked foot in HER mouth.

erm, wasn't dubya a bit fond of the bottle, as well? (not to mention the white lines.) and at least ann richards doesn't have a police record!

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Originally posted by AgentWood > Originally posted by Michael McDermott> > > > Originally posted by AgentWood> > > > > > > Originally posted by Monkeys in a Bubble> > > Wasn't it Ann Richards who said "If the King's English was good enough for Jesus, then it's good enough for me!" ?> > >

no, it was some man (not sure where from) in the house of representatives during a discussion on whether english should be the official language of the U.S.

Actually, Ann's most famous quote was, "Poor George (President George H.W. Bush - 41), he can't help himself. He was born with a silver foot in his mouth." - DNC National Convention 1992.

That quote alone sunk her bid for re-election for governor in the state of Texas. How sweet it must have been for George W. Bush to beat her sorry arse.

I guess Ann Richards was born with a booze soaked foot in HER mouth.

erm, wasn't dubya a bit fond of the bottle, as well? (not to mention the white lines.) and at least ann richards doesn't have a police record! Which POLICE record..MASSAGE IN A BROTHEL!:D:D:D:lol:

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Originally posted by Rocket Mick > Originally posted by AgentWood> > > > Originally posted by Michael McDermott> > > > > > > Originally posted by AgentWood> > > > > > > > > > Originally posted by Monkeys in a Bubble> > > > Wasn't it Ann Richards who said "If the King's English was good enough for Jesus, then it's good enough for me!" ?> > > > > >

no, it was some man (not sure where from) in the house of representatives during a discussion on whether english should be the official language of the U.S.

Actually, Ann's most famous quote was, "Poor George (President George H.W. Bush - 41), he can't help himself. He was born with a silver foot in his mouth." - DNC National Convention 1992.

That quote alone sunk her bid for re-election for governor in the state of Texas. How sweet it must have been for George W. Bush to beat her sorry arse.

I guess Ann Richards was born with a booze soaked foot in HER mouth.

erm, wasn't dubya a bit fond of the bottle, as well? (not to mention the white lines.) and at least ann richards doesn't have a police record! Which POLICE record..MASSAGE IN A BROTHEL!:D:D:D:lol:

No, I think that's Clinton's record. :lol:

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Originally posted by AgentWood > Originally posted by Michael McDermott> > > > Originally posted by AgentWood> > > > > > > Originally posted by Monkeys in a Bubble> > > Wasn't it Ann Richards who said "If the King's English was good enough for Jesus, then it's good enough for me!" ?> > >

no, it was some man (not sure where from) in the house of representatives during a discussion on whether english should be the official language of the U.S.

Actually, Ann's most famous quote was, "Poor George (President George H.W. Bush - 41), he can't help himself. He was born with a silver foot in his mouth." - DNC National Convention 1992.

That quote alone sunk her bid for re-election for governor in the state of Texas. How sweet it must have been for George W. Bush to beat her sorry arse.

I guess Ann Richards was born with a booze soaked foot in HER mouth.

erm, wasn't dubya a bit fond of the bottle, as well? (not to mention the white lines.) and at least ann richards doesn't have a police record!

White lines????? The only "white lines" that GWB even may have been remotely associated with are the ones by Grandmaster Flash and Mele Mel.

Come on AW, the coke accusation is and always has been a red herring concocted by those who would wish him harm.

And yes, he does have a DWI charge from over twenty years ago. That was a nice "October surprise", wasn't it? Too bad (for you) that it didn't work.

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Originally posted by Michael McDermott > Originally posted by AgentWood> > > > Originally posted by Michael McDermott> > > > > > > Originally posted by AgentWood> > > > > > > > > > Originally posted by Monkeys in a Bubble> > > > > >

White lines????? The only "white lines" that GWB even may have been remotely associated with are the ones by Grandmaster Flash and Mele Mel.

you are exactly like the rest of the republicans i know...believe ecery tidbit of info about Bill the Thrill, and deny GWB shortcomings...NewOrder song for you today....LIAR!

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BLT,

Where, exactly, have I perpetuated a rumor about BC? Twasn't me my friend.

Frankie Goes To Hollywood song for you today.......Relax!

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Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends...

and sorry, but when Ed starts spouting off about how awful it is, and decides to call all southerners (which, I am one of) neanderfucks, I tend to take a little bit of an exception to it...

what if I said all people from the north were fooking gobshites?

I don't think that would go over too well...

I guess our good friend Ed just brings out the worst in me...

just call me Doc Holliday...

you're a daisey if you do!!! :p

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Michael McDermott wrote "Come on AW, the coke accusation is and always has been a red herring concocted by those who would wish him harm."

nonsense. It is widely known that he did coke in the 70s, that's why he always refuses to address the issue when asked on the record. However, he has no problem saying that he didn't do it more recently than that. If he had never done it, why wouldn't he just go ahead and say so, rather than say no to the last twenty years but refuse to deal with anything prior ? "No" is a lot easier to say than the lame squirming away from the question that he has given the press. If you can say it, that is.

"And yes, he does have a DWI charge from over twenty years ago. That was a nice "October surprise", wasn't it? Too bad (for you) that it didn't work."

He also has a vandalism conviction on his record from a frat prank, and it is widely thought that there was another DUI from Texas, but we'll probably never know the truth about that or any other possible convictions due to the way his minions purged and sealed his criminal record when he was elected governor, an unprecedented and possibly illegal move.

Personally I think he's done a lot worse than that stuff, but it's funny what you're willing to overlook in that walking piece of crap, while the vaguest accusation or insignificant misstatement on the part of a democrat is repeated ad infinitum by the conservative lock-step propaganda machine.

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Originally posted by teleharmonium Michael McDermott wrote "Come on AW, the coke accusation is and always has been a red herring concocted by those who would wish him harm."nonsense. It is widely known that he did coke in the 70s, that's why he always refuses to address the issue when asked on the record. However, he has no problem saying that he didn't do it more recently than that. If he had never done it, why wouldn't he just go ahead and say so, rather than say no to the last twenty years but refuse to deal with anything prior ? "No" is a lot easier to say than the lame squirming away from the question that he has given the press. If you can say it, that is."And yes, he does have a DWI charge from over twenty years ago. That was a nice "October surprise", wasn't it? Too bad (for you) that it didn't work."He also has a vandalism conviction on his record from a frat prank, and it is widely thought that there was another DUI from Texas, but we'll probably never know the truth about that or any other possible convictions due to the way his minions purged and sealed his criminal record when he was elected governor, an unprecedented and possibly illegal move.Personally I think he's done a lot worse than that stuff, but it's funny what you're willing to overlook in that walking piece of crap, while the vaguest accusation or insignificant misstatement on the part of a democrat is repeated ad infinitum by the conservative lock-step propaganda machine.

Dear sir, madam, anonymous unic:

The proof, as they say, is in the pudding.

See, it would be VERY easy for me to pop off about how Slick Willy had Vince Foster whacked for putting the wood to Chillary. But I don't. There is no concrete proof to support those assertions.

And you sir, madam, anonymous unic, you don't have any evidence to support YOUR ridiculous claims.

Look bro', sis.....whatever, I can understand your bitterness on being crushed in the polls last election night. It wasn't very fun for me in '92 and '96.

However, the acidic venom you and yours are spewing right about now will do you no good. But hey, keep it up if it makes you feel better about yourself.. You guys have TEN senate seats up for grabs in '04. And who will you trot out as presidential nominee, Al Gore? Gary Hart?!?! I can't wait...... :D

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McDermott wrote "See, it would be VERY easy for me to pop off about how Slick Willy had Vince Foster whacked for putting the wood to Chillary. But I don't. There is no concrete proof to support those assertions."

correct, there is no proof, concrete or otherwise, and that 'assertion' is completely ludicrous to boot.

"And you sir, madam, anonymous unic, you don't have any evidence to support YOUR ridiculous claims."

what part are you saying is ridiculous ? His convictions are a matter of public record, as is the additional college era arrest for stealing from a hotel (no conviction on that one though as far as I can tell). His evasive answers on the drug questions from the time of the 2000 campaign are well documented, as are his outright lies about his draft evasion and the drunken driving incident (he had previously stated that he had never been arrested, and after it was reported by the ultra conservative Fox News, he said he had simply paid his fine and that there were no court proceedings, which is another lie, records have since been released documenting his appearance in court).

"Look bro', sis.....whatever, I can understand your bitterness on being crushed in the polls last election night. It wasn't very fun for me in '92 and '96. "

chump, if you're trying to make some sort of gender or sexuality based insult, please get your thoughts together and go ahead and make the insult, we don't have all day. By the way, it is easy to look on the online profile for users on this forum to get their name, if provided; this would rightly lead you to conclude that I am a 'sir'. Oh, and this election in the USA was hardly the democrats being 'crushed', they lost a few seats in Congress is all (while picking up some governorships).

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Originally posted by teleharmonium McDermott wrote "See, it would be VERY easy for me to pop off about how Slick Willy had Vince Foster whacked for putting the wood to Chillary. But I don't. There is no concrete proof to support those assertions."correct, there is no proof, concrete or otherwise, and that 'assertion' is completely ludicrous to boot."And you sir, madam, anonymous unic, you don't have any evidence to support YOUR ridiculous claims."what part are you saying is ridiculous ? His convictions are a matter of public record, as is the additional college era arrest for stealing from a hotel (no conviction on that one though as far as I can tell). His evasive answers on the drug questions from the time of the 2000 campaign are well documented, as are his outright lies about his draft evasion and the drunken driving incident (he had previously stated that he had never been arrested, and after it was reported by the ultra conservative Fox News, he said he had simply paid his fine and that there were no court proceedings, which is another lie, records have since been released documenting his appearance in court)."Look bro', sis.....whatever, I can understand your bitterness on being crushed in the polls last election night. It wasn't very fun for me in '92 and '96. "chump, if you're trying to make some sort of gender or sexuality based insult, please get your thoughts together and go ahead and make the insult, we don't have all day. By the way, it is easy to look on the online profile for users on this forum to get their name, if provided; this would rightly lead you to conclude that I am a 'sir'.Oh, and this election in the USA was hardly the democrats being 'crushed', they lost a few seats in Congress is all (while picking up some governorships).

I'm not sure if you are aware of the nature of mid term elections in the United States, but a Republican president has not picked up seats in both Houses since Teddy Roosevelt. Oh yeah, speaking of governorships, the Republicans picked up Georgia for the first time since Reconstruction.

The draft evasion was perpetrated by your boy BC, not GWB. President Bush had a jet motor strapped between his legs while BC was busy "not inhaling" the hippie lettuce at Oxford.

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"The draft evasion was perpetrated by your boy BC, not GWB. President Bush had a jet motor strapped between his legs while BC was busy "not inhaling" the hippie lettuce at Oxford."

man, you're really a glutton for punishment. Little bush's "military record" is a pathetic joke. Consider... While the country was at war, with a draft in place, W had strings pulled to get him into the Texas Air National Guard, despite a year and a half waiting list which he didn't have to bother with, and a pilot aptitude test score of 25%. The head of the Air National Guard at that time was Gen. James Rose, who later stated "I got that Republican congressman's son from Houston into the Guard." After basic training he was given a 'direct appointment', bypassing the difficult and generally required Officer Candidate School, immediately making him an officer and getting him into flight training, which is also usually competitive and difficult. This was all highly unusual because Bush had no special skills, experience or qualifications; the historian for the Guard, Tom Hail, was asked about it later and said "I've never heard of that. Generally they did that for doctors only, mostly because we needed extra flight surgeons." Bush's flight training was exclusively on a plane which was about to be phased out of the military, ensuring he would have no chance of actually encountering any combat. He flew the F-102; shortly after his training was completed, all overseas F-102 units were shut down. The guard had a policy of granting early discharges to F-102 pilots since before Bush joined, since they were being phased out, and it wouldn't make sense to train someone for 2 years on that plane (the training is specific to the plane, he would not have had enough time to complete training to fly any other plane for the Guard). Next he was given a very questionable transfer to a unit that barely did anything, had no drills or work; essentially an inactive postal unit in Alabama. The transfer was overruled later. The personnel officer for Bush's group, Col. Rufus G. Martin, later acknowledged that he knew Bush was not eligible for the transfer but that he tried anyway; "It was the least participation of any type of unit." After this there was a period of a year where Bush didn't show up or do anything at all related to the Guard, having skipped out on everything after the military started including drug tests in their required annual physicals. As a result of missing the physical he was suspended from flying in August '72 and never flew again (Bush's presidential campaign stated to the Sunday Times in London that "He knew the suspension would have to take place"), and was ultimately not punished in any way for his lengthy absences, another unusual situation. Eventually special orders were sent mandating his appearance, and he worked 36 more days for the Guard before being granted an early discharge.

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uhm...see what you started Agent????

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Speaking of New Order...

:p

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What, my anonymous friend, is your source? I'd very much like to review the contextual circumstances of the quotes you pulled.

Just wondering.

An interesting aside: the Viet Nam records of BC and GWB hasn't seemed to hamper either one of their political carreers. Why do you think that is?

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Michael McDermott wrote: "What, my anonymous friend, is your source? I'd very much like to review the contextual circumstances of the quotes you pulled.

Just wondering."

I'm neither anonymous nor your friend. I didn't pull the quotes from a single source, all the quotes are attributed to those who said them, while several of the other sources of info are named in my post. If you want more info, I suggest doing a Google search or going to your public library (you know, the one that W cut the funding for by 28%).

Too much trouble for you ? Not sure where the library is ? Here's some links:

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/Bush\_pressured\_on\_military\_gaps.shtml

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/bush072899.htm

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/Questions\_remain\_on\_Bush\_s\_service\_as\_Guard\_pilot+.shtml

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/07/04/bush.02/

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/dailynews/bush\_guard000624.html

Perhaps you can now give us some refried dogma on how the "liberal media", aka "those who would do him harm" are either all wrong or shouldn't have reported any of this ?

"An interesting aside: the Viet Nam records of BC and GWB hasn't seemed to hamper either one of their political carreers. Why do you think that is? "

My opinion is that the Vietnam war was so unpopular and so easy to avoid for those with the means that nobody really blames anyone for not going. That's pretty much the way I feel too, I'm bashing Bush for being a hypocrite about it, and for lying about his record, obstructing the truth and attacking anyone who brings it up, not for avoiding Vietnam. It is a basic truth that the 'haves' will exploit the 'have nots' and use their power to give themselves loopholes at the same time that they are forcing everybody else to bite the bullet, that's why you very rarely see any sons of privelege doing anything dangerous or undesirable like being in a war (Al Gore being a rare exception). It's mostly blacks, and poor to middle class whites, like my father, who went to Vietnam.

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Do any of those links lead to Retro reviews?

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Originally posted by The Happy One uhm...see what you started Agent????

yeah, so, um, my friend called new order wanky in this e-mail i got a while ago. let me tell you all about it.... :D

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Originally posted by Andy T Before playing the BLT video on MTV's 120 Minutes once, a short interview clip with Barney aired. "When I was young, the only thing I was interested in was art. As soon as I discovered masterbation, I lost interest in art, 'cause I thought that was the only thing I really enyoyed doing."

I stayed on topic. I swear the above is true, I have it on video tape. I'm amazed that no one commented on it.

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Originally posted by Andy T > Originally posted by Andy T> Before playing the BLT video on MTV's 120 Minutes once, a short interview clip with Barney aired. > > "When I was young, the only thing I was interested in was art. As soon as I discovered masterbation, I lost interest in art, 'cause I thought that was the only thing I really enyoyed doing."

I stayed on topic. I swear the above is true, I have it on video tape. I'm amazed that no one commented on it.

well, from what i've observed from the 'love will tear us apart' video and NO's performance of 'ceremony' on TOTP, there's certainly enough of him to, erm, 'play' with! (as deborah curtis noted, he did like to wear tight trousers!)

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The close-up of Barney's hand on the keyboard always left me a bit envious.....:wink:

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Originally posted by Taboo # 7 The close-up of Barney's hand on the keyboard always left me a bit envious.....:wink:

that's exactly the part of the video i was talking about!

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Originally posted by AgentWood > Originally posted by Taboo # 7> The close-up of Barney's hand on the keyboard always left me a bit envious.....:wink:

that's exactly the part of the video i was talking about!

if i'm interpretating this properly...

what dirty minds you've got!:nonono:

:wink:

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Originally posted by Taboo # 7 The close-up of Barney's hand on the keyboard always left me a bit envious.....:wink:

are you saying that he had his hand on his organ???

or am I missing something here?

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Hmmm...

Well, as an American, I never really got into the Beatles, Queen, Pink Floyd, or Radiohead. I know a couple of songs from each band, but I have liked New Order since 1988...and there are other Manc bands that I like...The Jam, Siouxsie & The Banshees, Lamb, just to name a few. I think one of the reasons I couldn't ever get into Floyd was the fact that they are worshipped in America, and---being a struggling musician myself---got sick and tired of having to deal with other musicians who want nothing but a Pink Floyd sound from others. So just like other popular stuff at the time, I shut Floyd out. Also, a lot of other aspiring (and wannabe) musicians I knew at the time would just use Floyd and Led Zeppelin as music to get high to, which is just not my sort of thing.

Granted, there are a few Floyd tracks that I like, but let me be honest...I don't own any Pink Floyd or Led Zeppelin. :D

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Originally posted by M. Domingo Hmmm......and there are other Manc bands that I like...The Jam, Siouxsie & The Banshees, Lamb, :D

Lets hope Mr Weller isn't reading this :)

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Hey now! I didn't say I liked Zeppelin! I'm sorry, I just can't stand Zeppelin...Try to quote the whole sentence next time, eh? :)

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Originally posted by M. Domingo Hey now! I didn't say I liked Zeppelin! I'm sorry, I just can't stand Zeppelin...Try to quote the whole sentence next time, eh? :)

what's this? another Canadian in the forum, eh?

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Originally posted by The Hacienda must be (re)Built > Originally posted by M. Domingo> Hmmm...> > ...and there are other Manc bands that I like...The Jam, Siouxsie & The Banshees, Lamb, :D

Lets hope Mr Weller isn't reading this :)

i think what he means, m. domingo, is that the jam are from nowhere near manchester. they're from woking, surrey (at least paul is)--SOUTH of london, and they lived in the london area. siouxsie are from london, as well.

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Huh! Well, blame the producers of '24 Hour Party People', because they threw in The Jam as being Mancs, and THAT'S where I got that from! :)

Well, regardless...I don't like Zeppelin, I do like The Jam, and I'm an even bigger NO/JD fan.

Hey Happy One! I'm not Canadian...I'm one state over! And what's wrong with Canadians, eh? (They run this awesome site, you know!) :)

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Originally posted by M. Domingo Huh! Well, blame the producers of '24 Hour Party People', because they threw in The Jam as being Mancs, and THAT'S where I got that from! :)Well, regardless...I don't like Zeppelin, I do like The Jam, and I'm an even bigger NO/JD fan.Hey Happy One! I'm not Canadian...I'm one state over! And what's wrong with Canadians, eh? (They run this awesome site, you know!) :)

one state over? never realized Canada was a state...or that California was to the west of Canada...damn, I have to go buy all new maps again....

nothing at all wrong with Canadians, and yes, I'm quite aware that Nic and Seb are, indeed, from the Great White North...

but I thought only Canadians ended sentences with EH....

or have I watched Strange Brew one time too many?

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