Anyone else played the LP yet? Mine skips during the intro to 586 - there are two visible scratches that follow the curve of the grooves. FFS.

Otherwise, the set looks fantastic. Looks looks my copy will be going back though...

So after sending three emails in three days I got my reply from the New Order Store who, as suspected, advised it's already been dispatched to me, and I'll have to return it back to them to get a refund. I figured although the Amazon order is cheaper, it's going to be easier cancelling that version whilst in transit than it is to venture to the nearest Post Office (wherever that may be) and return the New Order Store version.

However, despite New Order Store telling me it's dispatched, the shipping status when logged in says "Not Shipped", and order status is "Packing" still - as others have observed on here. So looks like no shiny boxed set for me on release day at all - despite placing the order within minutes of the release being announced. Very disappointing.

For future boxed sets, I'm just going to stick with Amazon, as they'll (a) almost certainly be received on the day of release; and (b) be cheaper than the New Order Store equivalent.

Have got my Qobuz 16-bit 44.1kHz CD quality downloads of the four 12 inches to play over the weekend though, which is something I guess.

I feel your pain, Mr D.

So, I've now listened to the whole of the second CD. Lots of great stuff.

The New York Demo of 'Thieves Like Us' is almost unrecognisable. Sounds a lot more 'Arthur Baker'. Not as wonderful as the finished article, obviously, but a really interesting 'demo'. Who would've thought that the song would change so dramatically.

The Blue Monday versions are equally exciting to hear. The one with the 'real' drums is quite frankly odd. The other writing session is much more like the finished article and is my favourite of the three. The 'instrumental outtake' veers into 'The Beach' territory, which does makes sense.

'Murder' is pretty chaotic and a bit muddy, but still fab.

So, on first listen, the ones that really grab my attention are:

5-8-6 (Writing Session Recordings 1982) (much more like 'Video 5-8-6'; bloody brilliant) Your Silent Face (Writing Session Recordings 1982) (truly gorgeous, with lovely guitar parts) Thieves Like Us (New York Demo #1 1983) (so very different) Blue Monday (Writing Session Recording 1982 - the longer version)

However, every track is cool and interesting in its own right.

Going back to that 'Video 5-8-6' 'easter egg' on the DVD, I just wondered if Johnny James can shed some light on it. It looks like filmed footage of the video (i.e. taken with a camcorder), rather than the actual video itself, straight from the source.

This makes me think that this is actually taken from someone's film of the opening of The Haçienda. I believe that's the only time 'Video 5-8-6' has ever been shown to the public. Is it from this night, JJ?

If it is from the opening in May 1982, is there any other video footage from that night?

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Still waiting for yours? It'll be worth the wait.

perspexorange wrote:

Going back to that 'Video 5-8-6' 'easter egg' on the DVD, I just wondered if Johnny James can shed some light on it. It looks like filmed footage of the video (i.e. taken with a camcorder), rather than the actual video itself, straight from the source.

This makes me think that this is actually taken from someone's film of the opening of The Haçienda. I believe that's the only time 'Video 5-8-6' has ever been shown to the public. Is it from this night, JJ?

If it is from the opening in May 1982, is there any other video footage from that night?

Steve found it in his tapes, you'd have to ask him for more specific details about it. He may well have filmed the Mac program off the screen whilst it was running using his old camcorder.

Interesting note about the digital 2020 remasters of the 'Confusion' 12". On the original vinyl, side 1 plays as a continuous piece, with the end of 'Confusion' directly running into 'Confused Beats'. On the Qobuz digital download (and, presumably the same with other stores), the end of 'Confusion' has a quick fade out right at the end (as other digital re-releases of this main 12" version have done on 'Retro' and PCL Collector's Edition). This makes the digital release of this 12" a touch inauthentic to me - I was hoping for the two tracks to run gaplessly into each other.

Can anyone with the remastered 2020 12" vinyl version of 'Confusion' let us know if it fades on the vinyl version too - oir does it run continuously into 'Confused Beats' as per the original 1983 12"?

Mr Discography wrote: Interesting note about the digital 2020 remasters of the 'Confusion' 12". On the original vinyl, side 1 plays as a continuous piece, with the end of 'Confusion' directly running into 'Confused Beats'. On the Qobuz digital download (and, presumably the same with other stores), the end of 'Confusion' has a quick fade out right at the end (as other digital re-releases of this main 12" version have done on 'Retro' and PCL Collector's Edition). This makes the digital release of this 12" a touch inauthentic to me - I was hoping for the two tracks to run gaplessly into each other.

Can anyone with the remastered 2020 12" vinyl version of 'Confusion' let us know if it fades on the vinyl version too - oir does it run continuously into 'Confused Beats' as per the original 1983 12"?

In the new Confusion vinyl it goes straight into Confused beats , like the original. No fade.

Fotz wrote:

Mr Discography wrote: Interesting note about the digital 2020 remasters of the 'Confusion' 12". On the original vinyl, side 1 plays as a continuous piece, with the end of 'Confusion' directly running into 'Confused Beats'. On the Qobuz digital download (and, presumably the same with other stores), the end of 'Confusion' has a quick fade out right at the end (as other digital re-releases of this main 12" version have done on 'Retro' and PCL Collector's Edition). This makes the digital release of this 12" a touch inauthentic to me - I was hoping for the two tracks to run gaplessly into each other.

Can anyone with the remastered 2020 12" vinyl version of 'Confusion' let us know if it fades on the vinyl version too - oir does it run continuously into 'Confused Beats' as per the original 1983 12"?

In the new Confusion vinyl it goes straight into Confused beats , like the original. No fade.

A real shame they didn't preserve that for the digital equivalent. It seems I'll have to retain my vinyl rip in my iTunes music library still..!

Johnny James wrote:

Steve found it in his tapes, you'd have to ask him for more specific details about it. He may well have filmed the Mac program off the screen whilst it was running using his old camcorder.

Cheers, Johnny.

I’ve just tweeted Steve.

Can I just take this moment to thank you once again for your sterling efforts, bringing us another box set worthy of the New Order name.

My quick take.

I think the demos are awesome, and give a look at embryonic versions of the songs. Never thought we would ever hear alternate or work in progress versions of them.

It's an amazing time capsule to go back to and hear how some of the songs developed, especially blue monday.

The peel sessions were known, but also a great historical set.

The other instrumentals are a little further along.

Very cool to hear. Wish there were more. Especially, if there were vocal versions, as these are all instrumental.

later -1

Damnit - my Amazon order has been "arriving today" all day, but has just changed to "now arriving Oct 3rd - Oct 4th"

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Mr Discography wrote: So after sending three emails in three days I got my reply from the New Order Store who, as suspected, advised it's already been dispatched to me, and I'll have to return it back to them to get a refund. I figured although the Amazon order is cheaper, it's going to be easier cancelling that version whilst in transit than it is to venture to the nearest Post Office (wherever that may be) and return the New Order Store version.

However, despite New Order Store telling me it's dispatched, the shipping status when logged in says "Not Shipped", and order status is "Packing" still - as others have observed on here. So looks like no shiny boxed set for me on release day at all - despite placing the order within minutes of the release being announced. Very disappointing.

For future boxed sets, I'm just going to stick with Amazon, as they'll (a) almost certainly be received on the day of release; and (b) be cheaper than the New Order Store equivalent.

If you do decide to return your NO store copy, if it’s any help, in the receipt you’ll get with the box there is a return adress label that you cut out and affix over the original delivery adress. Interestingly for me the Warner Music address for returns is in Daventry, Northamptonshire which is just 7 miles from where I live. If I needed to return my copy I could just deliver it in person easlier than posting .

Got a reply from the legendary Mr Morris:

Got an email Tuesday from the New Order store that my bundle had shipped, and it was just delivered! 4 days from the UK to San Francisco. The box, the 12" singles, the t-shirt - all beautiful! Listening to the Extras CD now...some of these rehearsal tapes are a revelation. Much more interesting than standard demos!

GotBlueEyes wrote: Damnit - my Amazon order has been "arriving today" all day, but has just changed to "now arriving Oct 3rd - Oct 4th"

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Worse than that - it's now dropped to £90 but as they already charged me and shipped, then that's not covered by the pre-order price guarantee

It left the Leicester depot at 4am and I'm in Derby so it's a joke that they delayed it

Got my box set today along with 12”’s and t shirt. Only had chance to listen to all the audio (vinyl cd, 12”)

The extras CD is a very interesting document of the band at the time. Really enjoyed the completely different TLU and as others have said the evolution of BM. The 12” remaster of BM sounds fantastic to my ears. Maybe because my other 12” of this track are so old and overplayed.

Beautiful artefact dome to a very high standard.

The back catalogue of new order has gone from being one of the worst handled (from the bands I like anyway) to one of if not THE best.

Can’t wait to start watching the DVD’s from tomorrow. The set lists at some these gigs is mouth watering.

Reading the book (and recent you tube interviews) with comments from Steve it certainly looks like Leave me alone is going to make a comeback at future gigs. I just hope I am in attendance when it is played.

negative1 wrote:

I think the demos are awesome, and give a look at embryonic versions of the songs. Never thought we would ever hear alternate or work in progress versions of them.

It's an amazing time capsule to go back to and hear how some of the songs developed, especially blue monday.

The other instrumentals are a little further along.

Very cool to hear. Wish there were more. Especially, if there were vocal versions, as these are all instrumental.

More exciting than Be A Rebel innit!

If you search New Order Writing Session on YouTube you'll find these. They haven't been grouped into an album by NO's YouTube admins yet but I imagine they will be. I haven't checked Spotify but I bet they're there too.

perspexorange wrote: It's looking lovely.

Haven't had chance to check out anything in great detail yet, but noticed the second DVD seems to have an unscheduled bonus feature. Looks like Video 5-8-6, but haven't had a proper look yet.

Found it. Leave the DVD playing after the Hacienda 83 video and it s there. About 10 mins long.

Jonathan wrote:

Fotz wrote: I think the only thing i wish they'd done with these definitive box sets is leave enough room to fit the accompanying re-released 12" singles in the box if you indeed buy the re-released singles.

...I just assumed they’d left room. I had intended to put my original singles in the boxes. Oh!

Found I can actually fit one( just the one)of the 12” re- mastered singles in the box without it effecting the lid fit. I chose to put the Blue Monday 12” in as it’s the defining single . Still a snug fit for the box lid.

Have also done similar with the Movement box and chose to put the green sleeve Ceremony 2019 re-master 12” in that box.

Kind of makes the boxes even more definitive

Just watched the Kilkenny set while eating dinner. What a wonderful, cramped, chaotic gig. The synth goes out of tune, Barney is making up lyrics, and the crowd are practically on top of the band. But he's also in a great mood and the songs sound spectacular. To think they were up against bands like Kajagoogoo and Culture Club who played the pop game and sound incredibly dated now. I love this band.

Debaser wrote:

More exciting than Be A Rebel innit!

If you search New Order Writing Session on YouTube you'll find these. They haven't been grouped into an album by NO's YouTube admins yet but I imagine they will be. I haven't checked Spotify but I bet they're there too.

Excellent, gives a chance for everyone to check them out, and give them a listen.

Will be interesting to hear others opinions.

later -1

Power Corruption And Lies - Extras (CD)

Writing Session Recordings

1. Age Of Consent 4:40

instrumental, rough and raw sounding

this version is shorter than the album version, (by about 36 seconds)

it is a much slower tempo, although the percussion sounds about the same as the finished version.

the guitar parts match up pretty closely at times, the keyboard parts are mostly fleshed out, with similar chords, and notes.

there's some soft acoustic guitar strumming near the end that is quite different also.

a very majestic song.

2. The Village 3:14

instrumental

shorter than the album version (by 1min:23sec)

once again, a much more early take on the song.

this one matches the album tempo pretty well, and follows the same musical verses and chorus structure.

the intro keyboards and bass sound similar, but the main keyboard sequence sounds like a different instrument or different key.

the main guitars are much more prominent. you can hear a lot of individual acoustic strumming, along with a very prevalent bass throughout it.

a very happy, uplifting, and upbeat song.

3. 5 8 6 3:24

(shorter by 4min:08sec) instrumental

a very electro version, completely different from the album version.

does not have the slow build up or phasing starts. drums are completely different. (not a computer)

lots of interesting keyboard solo's throughout the song. interesting bass sound keyboard parts too.

the major chords, and bass lines are similar though. they cymbal hits are very prominent also.

maintains the marching beat throughout. fades out at end.

dark and sinistar sounding.

4. Your Silent Face 5:02

(shorter by 55sec) instrumental

this one sounds very similar to the album, same tempo and tone. much less dynamics on the instruments. less reverb, and polish on them.

the guitar parts match up pretty well with the album. a lot more strumming from the main guitar parts.

a lot less synths, and of course less emphasis on the soaring string sounds. the drums sound more prominent though. a lot less of the melodica sounds in it.

a rather mellow, laid back song.

5. Ecstasy 4:24

instrumental

no vocoder in this version. this matches the album rather closely again as far as instruments go.

its got a lot deeper guitar sound part in it though, or its a lot less processed than the final version. the drums seem to match the tempo and beat also.

the main emphasis seems to be be on leaving the individual parts to be polished later on, with the glossy vocoder parts, and keyboards mixed in.

this version has a rather long melodica sounding (most likely keyboard) segment near the end. at which point it deviates from the structure of the original with more guitar improvisation.

another interesting original instrumental, and very experimental sounding.

6. Leave Me Alone 4:09

(shorter by 33sec) instrumental

very similar to the album version. matches the tempo and BPM of the original. similar key and instruments also.

you can hear all the guitar parts much more prominently. the drums are very similar too, along with the bass highlights.

this sounds like they were near the end of recording it, as you can just overlay the vocals on it, and do some more cleanup on the mixing to finalize it.

a very plaintative, and midtempo rocker.

John Peel Session [previously released]

7. Turn The Heater On 5:02

a rather reggae sounding track, quite different in tone and tempo from their normal songs. since its a cover.

bernard stretches his vocals to the higher range. this is a rather fast paced song, with similar drums, melodica, and synths that were used on the album.

and interesting choice to play for the peel sessions. no other studio version exists.

8. We All Stand 5:24

there is no 'radio session' version of this, so this early take on it, is what they were working on.

it's a rather bluesy, jazzy sounding song. slow in tempo, with lots of space for the guitars, piano, and basic drums to fill out.

bernards lyrics stick out from it, with some interesting stereo effects of different lyrics from each channel. there's almost a hypnotic lull going on with the jams, and piano parts.

definitely a downbeat track, with some urgent lyrics and vocals from bernard at the end.

9. Too Late 3:37

another non-album track, a short and very simple slow electro sounding take.

it then delves into some major keyboard chords, with the trademark bass over it.

this might be basically, another early version of what the album 586 was, but with completely different lyrics over it. very intense, but unfortunately very short.

would have liked to heard more of it.

10. 5 8 6 6:08

586 was not an actual single, unless you count video 586, which sounded completely different.

this version is about as close to a remix of the album version that you will get.

completely revamping the sound, and infusing kraftwerkian sounds, it turns out to be a incredibly different take on what the song would become.

lots of different effects, cool breaks, and various synth solos all come into play at points.

all the elements come together, the drums, bass, and keyboards all mixing and intertwining perfectly for yet another take before the inevitable progress to blue monday would come.

bernards vocals are perfect to match the dark tone, and you can even hear some of the back up vocals behind him at times.

definitely one of the outstanding tracks from the peel sessions. an amazing highlight at the time.

John Peel Session Outtake

11. Too Late (instrumental rough mix) 3:41

this early version matches the normal peel version, but omits the lyrics. so that each of the instruments stand out during those segments.

other than that, it is basically another take on the song. the recording is definitely a little rough on the levels, but its still decent enough.

New York demo #1

12. Thieves Like Us 6:41

(shorter 17sec, compared to the released instrumental) instrumental

imagine if you took an electro version of this song, and removed the choral synths. thats what it sounds like. arthur baker had a hand in the song, so you can see that influence.

there is a total bass lead sound, and very muted drums, making it sound like they wanted to get the riffs done first, before polishing it up completely.

you can hear where the ideas for most of the latter finished version originated from. the main synth chords were developing, but sound low-key here.

the rough raw guitar parts in the later version found here, but in a much reduced composition.

there's a lot more improvisation going on near the end also.

its sounds pretty clear and clean also.

interesting take showing what a different direction that song took at the early stages of its development.

Writing Session Recordings

13. Thieves Like Us 1:59

instrumental

this is a very short experimental take on the song.

there are definitely the same keyboard chords, and the electro sound part going on. so it also used the raw guitar stabs too.

the keyboard parts sound completely different, and they would be toned down later on.

extremely short, but you can really hear how early the song was coming along, and the next take would get much further along.

14. Murder 3:40

(shorter 17sec) instrumental

this is a rough sounding song, but the original was too. there's less samples, but just as much guitar works, and some heavy duty drums going on.

it's hard to hear the bass at times, and there very little keyboards, except for some chords at time.

it didn't change much in structure, and stands out as another totally strange, and interesting instrumental from them. but the main new order sound and influence is there.

Instrumental

15. Blue Monday 2:10 [not on youtube yet]

instrumental very short, totally different sound

imagine taking some of the early versions of ecstasy, and adding some 586 to it.

thats what this sounds like. not sure when this came out. but you can hear some of the main keyboard synth sounds coming through.

the main guitar leads play something that sound like a main melody, but its not blue monday.

about halfway through, the drumbeat and synths almost get there, but not quite.

the next version would though.

16. Blue Monday 5:50

(shorter 1min:42sec) instrumental starting to see the song emerging, most of the elements are there, but very different sounding effects, and timing

does not sound like the beach, but several differences from the original blue monday.

the keyboards are quite different in sound, and texture. the structure of the song is also different.

the bass keyboard sounds are modified, as are the main leads.

the tempo is close, although could be a little faster.

the cymbal hits match up, as do the other effects, keeping the structure very similar to the final version.

there are some new main keyboard leads around the 2min mark, that are quite different [these echo the main lead vocals].

there are no vocoders at all, and you can hear several miskeyed synth parts too.

some of the edits are quite rough, and clunky, like the airplane whoosh, and breakdown.

they had to do quite a lot of work to finalize the song, but all the elements are basically here.

its quite interesting to hear this take and see what they added and changed in the post production, and of course adding the now classic lyrics, would cement this title in history.

Album Session Recording

17. Blue Monday (Instrumental Outtake) 7:19

(3sec shorter) i overlaid this over 'the beach', and they matched each other pretty well.

so this might have been an earlier take (or exactly the same), i'm sure there are some mixing differences.

the vocoder parts sound louder to me. other than that they are comparible.

there might be a slight BPM difference.

18 video 586 remaster 22:08

instrumental this is a very very long electro sounding experiment.

it does not sound like any of the other versions of 586. it was basically a showpiece for an installation, with an accompanying video.

(there is a shorter 10 minute bonus version on the DVD with alternate graphics).

this also was released as a single much later on, and also came in several parts on different compilations.

good for background music, but without too much variation or outstanding parts, is another song that continues in their standard of long experimental pieces.

later -1

GotBlueEyes wrote:

Worse than that - it's now dropped to £90 but as they already charged me and shipped, then that's not covered by the pre-order price guarantee

It left the Leicester depot at 4am and I'm in Derby so it's a joke that they delayed it

I had a mail to say delivery was delayed, then one to say it had been dispatched, then one crediting me with a £9.05 refund. Maybe if you complain...

Still got no idea why the original delivery was delayed - I'm currently not getting it until Tue. :clowns:

50poundnote wrote: Just watched the Kilkenny set while eating dinner. What a wonderful, cramped, chaotic gig. The synth goes out of tune, Barney is making up lyrics, and the crowd are practically on top of the band. But he's also in a great mood and the songs sound spectacular. To think they were up against bands like Kajagoogoo and Culture Club who played the pop game and sound incredibly dated now. I love this band.

It really is a classic gig. So good to finally see something that a lot of fans have been listening to for years. The band were in a playful mood that night.

I know what you mean about the comparisons with other synth bands back in the day. I hate when people try to class New Order as a ‘New Wave 80s synth pop band’, alongside Tears For Fears, A Flock Of Seagulls, The Human League and the two you mentioned.
They couldn’t be further away.

So who got the obi strip around their box? I ordered from the new order store and mine didn't have one. Slightly annoying i must say.

blunt laser wrote: So who got the obi strip around their box? I ordered from the new order store and mine didn't have one. Slightly annoying i must say.

What's an obi strip? I didn't get any strip around the box anyway.There's the ribbon inside to ease getting the stuff out if that's what you mean.I didn't think the outer came with any strip😕

50poundnote wrote: Just watched the Kilkenny set while eating dinner. What a wonderful, cramped, chaotic gig. The synth goes out of tune, Barney is making up lyrics, and the crowd are practically on top of the band. But he's also in a great mood and the songs sound spectacular. To think they were up against bands like Kajagoogoo and Culture Club who played the pop game and sound incredibly dated now. I love this band.

The Kilkenny gig is great isn't it.Looked a whole bunch of fun and the band really seem to be enjoying themselves.It looked an absolute riot of a gig.Watched it Thursday evening and then last night i watched the Hacienda 83 gig.Quite a contrast.At Kilkenny the band and the audience are having loads of fun but at the Hac 83 gig it all seems a bit static and Barney seems like he's got ants in his pants and keeps faffing and fiddling with buttons and stuff on the stack by Gillian's keyboard.He seems unhappy with the sound at many parts of the gig.I guess it was a hot summer night and he repeatedly asks the audience to move back.Not much between song banter.They seemed to respond much better to the Irish crowd at the Kilkenny gig than the ones at the Hacienda 83 gig.

Fotz wrote:

blunt laser wrote: So who got the obi strip around their box? I ordered from the new order store and mine didn't have one. Slightly annoying i must say.

What's an obi strip? I didn't get any strip around the box anyway.There's the ribbon inside to ease getting the stuff out if that's what you mean.I didn't think the outer came with any strip😕

The one featured here: https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Power-Corruption-And-Lies/release/16000948

blunt laser wrote:

Fotz wrote:

blunt laser wrote: So who got the obi strip around their box? I ordered from the new order store and mine didn't have one. Slightly annoying i must say.

What's an obi strip? I didn't get any strip around the box anyway.There's the ribbon inside to ease getting the stuff out if that's what you mean.I didn't think the outer came with any strip😕

The one featured here: https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Power-Corruption-And-Lies/release/16000948

Oh ok.Interesting.Nope, i definitely didn't get one of those strips with my copy.That's the first time i've seen an image of the box with one of those strips.Puzzled now.Thanks for brnging that to our attention.