Mapping The Definitive Editions - Brotherhood

Andy wrote: David Quantick review:

SuperDeluxeEdition.com

Thanks for the link, Andy.

Crikey though! What a pointless review by Quantick. He just reviews the original LP and only mentions that there are bonus tracks as an afterthought.

Even more incredulous is that it’s a review for SuperDeluxeEdition, a website that is specifically about ‘expanded’ releases of classic LPs.

Anyone who is planning on buying this will know the LP intimately. What anyone will really want to know is what the bonus stuff is like and whether it’s worth shelling out 160 notes for. His only comment about this material is ‘enjoyable’.

Wouldn't be surprised if he didn't bother listening to the LP this time around and just posted his thoughts from memory. Any one of us, having not heard the Definitive Edition yet, could've written what he wrote based on our old knowledge of the LP.

Bah!

Here in France, my boxset has just been shipped (from the French FNAC website) Hope I will get it right in time for Friday !

perspexorange wrote:

Andy wrote: David Quantick review:

SuperDeluxeEdition.com

Thanks for the link, Andy.

Crikey though! What a pointless review by Quantick. He just reviews the original LP and only mentions that there are bonus tracks as an afterthought.

Even more incredulous is that it’s a review for SuperDeluxeEdition, a website that is specifically about ‘expanded’ releases of classic LPs.

Anyone who is planning on buying this will know the LP intimately. What anyone will really want to know is what the bonus stuff is like and whether it’s worth shelling out 160 notes for. His only comment about this material is ‘enjoyable’.

Wouldn't be surprised if he didn't bother listening to the LP this time around and just posted his thoughts from memory. Any one of us, having not heard the Definitive Edition yet, could've written what he wrote based on our old knowledge of the LP.

Bah!

Agreed.

I considered not posting it (he has several facts wrong) but as it was positive overall, I did. I also posted it on Bluesky, mentioning his inaccuracies, and he replied saying I neglected to mention his "great personal charm and beauty". I've since deleted it and reposted it due to a typo, but his original reply also had a typo (opinioons?)!

50poundnote wrote: Amazon in the U.S. currently has it for $109.99, but the link is not easy to find...I got this from the Super Deluxe Edition website.

Brotherhood Definitive Edition

I knew I was paying too much for the Brotherhood box at my local record store, SirenRecordMonterey.com, when I preordered. But my Low-Life box had a mixup (duplicate of one DVD, missing the other) when I ordered online. I want to be able to check the condition (and accuracy of the contents) this time around. Also, after sending off my Low-Life box for return, my purchase of a replacement at Siren included some promotional Low-Life-era style badges (apologies, I don't know how to upload a photo of them).

Yeah - I think it's definitely worth posting reviews on this thread.

It's just that my overall thought coming away from the review was 'did he actually play the bloody thing'?

It must be nice being a journalist. You get comp-ed beautiful box-sets and get paid to write the most rudimentary of reviews for them. I reckon he churned that out in 20 minutes, straight after getting the 'phone call asking that he write it.

Sorry guys - negative posts from me today. I must've got out of bed the wrong side today. Off to the pub in a bit, so that'll no doubt cheer me up. Ready for Friday and the chance for me to dive into the box's contents.

perspexorange wrote:

Debaser wrote: Although at the same time I'm aware that some of his past comments (pre-settlement) about Gillian were...less than generous.

I think this is the problem. It's difficult to separate statements like "Me, Steve and Barney were still a great songwriting partnership", which dismisses Gillian by omission, from previous statements which openly criticised her contributions. The words he choses here are deliberate and this isn't the first time he's said something similar.

You're correct in that there probably was one or two prime contributors to the song-writing tasks. However, none of us outsiders know exactly what anyone's contribution was from record to record. I just liked the fact that, previously, no one was elevated above the others. As far as we were concerned, at least officially, they were all equal songwriters.

I wish that Hooky had just said something like 'we were a great songwriting team'. He would be saying the same thing; just without criticising someone's contribution.

Interesting quotes from GG in the Women at Factory Records book saying she came up with the bassline for Love Vigilantes and also initiating the bass notes on synth for Age of Consent and PH asking what the notes were. (C&F)

Also a quote from Jane Robert's (PH roadie) saying don't let "shit for brains" get round the back of FX racks before going onstage due to his lack of expertise. Who would have thought.

Andy wrote:

I considered not posting it (he has several facts wrong) but as it was positive overall, I did. I also posted it on Bluesky, mentioning his inaccuracies, and he replied saying I neglected to mention his "great personal charm and beauty". I've since deleted it and reposted it due to a typo, but his original reply also had a typo (opinioons?)!

Nice of him to reply. My opinion is that you shouldn't have deleted due to the typo! We all make 'em, and apparently Quantick understood you.

I remember when Music Complete came out, The Quietus was one of the first to put a review online. Luke Turner used some of the 'demo' names for the tracks which were different when the album actually came out. I tweeted him to 'correct' the out of date titles. He did so later that day, but didn't acknowledge me at all. I suppose it could just be a coincidence that he correted the titles, but I @'d him on one or two other occasions and received no acknowledgement. He ain't that famous. So I reckon Turner is (probably) up his own arse. Only seems to reply to musicians or people he knows.

Andy wrote: my purchase of a replacement at Siren included some promotional Low-Life-era style badges (apologies, I don't know how to upload a photo of them).

It's a bit of a faff. But if you're curious, I think this is how: Upload your photo to a photo hosting website (Imgur spings to mind). Then it should offer you a weblink address for your pic. Then paste that link/address into the "insert image" button here, which is 6 buttons along from the bold button, (when you're typing a post). And that should be it.

BTW how is BlueSky? Have you dumped Twitter completely? I noticed the Guardian newspaper said they were moving the other day (along with plenty of others). I'm not convinced that a news organisation should do that. They could be on both...

Debaser wrote:

Andy wrote:

I considered not posting it (he has several facts wrong) but as it was positive overall, I did. I also posted it on Bluesky, mentioning his inaccuracies, and he replied saying I neglected to mention his "great personal charm and beauty". I've since deleted it and reposted it due to a typo, but his original reply also had a typo (opinioons?)!

Nice of him to reply. My opinion is that you shouldn't have deleted due to the typo! We all make 'em, and apparently Quantick understood you.

I remember when Music Complete came out, The Quietus was one of the first to put a review online. Luke Turner used some of the 'demo' names for the tracks which were different when the album actually came out. I tweeted him to 'correct' the out of date titles. He did so later that day, but didn't acknowledge me at all. I suppose it could just be a coincidence that he correted the titles, but I @'d him on one or two other occasions and received no acknowledgement. He ain't that famous. So I reckon Turner is (probably) up his own arse. Only seems to reply to musicians or people he knows.

Andy wrote: my purchase of a replacement at Siren included some promotional Low-Life-era style badges (apologies, I don't know how to upload a photo of them).

It's a bit of a faff. But if you're curious, I think this is how: Upload your photo to a photo hosting website (Imgur spings to mind). Then it should offer you a weblink address for your pic. Then paste that link/address into the "insert image" button here, which is 6 buttons along from the bold button, (when you're typing a post). And that should be it.

BTW how is BlueSky? Have you dumped Twitter completely? I noticed the Guardian newspaper said they were moving the other day (along with plenty of others). I'm not convinced that a news organisation should do that. They could be on both...

Yes, deleted Twitter. I went to Threads a few months ago but never took to it.

I'm liking Bluesky. The consensus is that it's like early Twitter back when it was good.

Quantick had reposted my now deleted comment, which is awkward. With my corrected post, I assured him he was the Kitten's Mittens. He then replied that I was "the hornet's cornet". I'll take it.

Debaser: I couldn't get the images of the Low-Life badges to appear. I posted the link to Imgur on the Low-Life Definitive Edition thread if anyone is curious.

I'm not convinced by Bluesky. A few friends have already had fairly tame comments removed that wouldn't happen on TwiX. Not that I particularly endorse Musk, but how many people watch Murdoch owned media?

Interview with Stephen:

https://www.brooklynvegan.com/new-orders-stephen-morris-talks-brotherhood-definitive-edition-music-videos-whats-next-more-bv-interview/

Mr. Disco wrote: Interview with Stephen:

https://www.brooklynvegan.com/new-orders-stephen-morris-talks-brotherhood-definitive-edition-music-videos-whats-next-more-bv-interview/

Nice interview and shout-out!

“It’s not just me. There’s lots of other people at Warner’s working on these. Also an uber-fan. It’s always good to have an uber-fan knocking about who can give you his or her opinion as to whether you’re right. You can never really tell. You might think “Oh, this sounds great” but they say, “It’s very common. Everybody’s got that one.” I’m open to ideas.”

Just received my copy this morning, one day before release, cool

perspexorange wrote:

Andy wrote: David Quantick review:

SuperDeluxeEdition.com

Thanks for the link, Andy.

Crikey though! What a pointless review by Quantick. He just reviews the original LP and only mentions that there are bonus tracks as an afterthought.

Even more incredulous is that it’s a review for SuperDeluxeEdition, a website that is specifically about ‘expanded’ releases of classic LPs.

Bah!

The guy that runs SDE is a bit of a tit (see his snarky reply in the comments to someone who dared to mention the lack of details about the "deluxe" elements of the release). He also routinely deletes/moderates out comments that don't just kiss his arse

Given that all of his links to Amazon are affiliate links, he must make a tidy sum from that alone. You'd hope he payed Quantick to write the review, and that is why he's being defensive

GotBlueEyes wrote:

The guy that runs SDE is a bit of a tit (see his snarky reply in the comments to someone who dared to mention the lack of details about the "deluxe" elements of the release). He also routinely deletes/moderates out comments that don't just kiss his arse

Given that all of his links to Amazon are affiliate links, he must make a tidy sum from that alone. You'd hope he payed Quantick to write the review, and that is why he's being defensive

Yeah - I've seen him getting arsey with other people.

The commenter was addressing the genuine concern that the review didn't actually review the product in question. Given that the website is dedicated to 'Super Deluxe Editions', it seems ludicrous that the review didn't touch on the actual contents of the set.

If I had to guess, the owner of the website asked Quantick to write a review of the product. Quantick half-arsed his review, only bothering to comment on the 1986 album itself (as well as incorrect 'facts'). The owner was probably a bit disappointed with what was produced but, having commissioned the review and technically out of pocket, decided to publish it anyway.

I guess it's still generating 'clicks' and, as you said, giving him money from the affiliates. So, as far as he's concerned, the review is a success.

It does make me wary to visit the site though, which I do from time to time. His snotty attitude to a valid concern will make sure I never click on any of the affiliate links.

In A Noisy Place wrote: Just received my copy this morning, one day before release, cool

Great stuff! Enjoy!

I'm looking forward to mine tomorrow.

Did it come with one of those wraparound 'obi'-style bands?

In A Noisy Place wrote: Just received my copy this morning, one day before release, cool

Whereabouts are you, and where did you order it from? I'm in UK, and Amazon haven't been so good at getting items to me on release date in recent months - even with Prime. My order currently says its due Tuesday, and all that Black Friday nonsense starts tomorrow - so worried it's not going to get to me tomorrow.

Hmmm.

Mine from Amazon also says Tuesday. For the box-set and the accompanying 12"s.

Well, that is disappointing.

perspexorange wrote: Hmmm.

Mine from Amazon also says Tuesday. For the box-set and the accompanying 12"s.

Well, that is disappointing.

If you ordered it today on Amazon, it says delivery would be on Thu 28th! Perhaps they're managing expectations due to Black Friday week.

Mr Discography wrote:

In A Noisy Place wrote: Just received my copy this morning, one day before release, cool

Whereabouts are you, and where did you order it from? I'm in UK, and Amazon haven't been so good at getting items to me on release date in recent months - even with Prime. My order currently says its due Tuesday, and all that Black Friday nonsense starts tomorrow - so worried it's not going to get to me tomorrow.

In France, FNAC delivers today. I've ordered on Amazon, and will receive it tomorrow (if Amazon do what they say in the mail I received today).

perspexorange wrote:

GotBlueEyes wrote:

The guy that runs SDE is a bit of a tit ...

... His snotty attitude to a valid concern will make sure I never click on any of the affiliate links.

Yeah f**k that guy!

perspexorange wrote:

In A Noisy Place wrote: Just received my copy this morning, one day before release, cool

Did it come with one of those wraparound 'obi'-style bands?

You are obsessed!

So what completely unheard gems do we still have to look forward to ? These ones?

Shellshock (AOR Version)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-26Ba2-dejM
As It Is When It Was (Japan Demo)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reExTe0dZjo
Broken Promise (Instrumental)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfTbXiYCjAM
All Day Long (Instrumental)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6KJODVjp1w
Every Little Counts (Full Length) (can't find video)
Skullcrusher (Full Length)  (Can't find video)

That it?

The above videos will presumbly work after midnight tonight.

Debaser wrote:

perspexorange wrote:

In A Noisy Place wrote: Just received my copy this morning, one day before release, cool

Did it come with one of those wraparound 'obi'-style bands?

You are obsessed!

Completely!

I'm still bitter that my PC&L one didn't come with one. Ordered that one from the NO Store too. You'd think they would've definitely had the more 'complete' set.

In A Noisy Place wrote: Just received my copy this morning, one day before release, cool

Don't open it until midnight!

Somewhere in the world (New Zealand) it is already Friday, so the new Brotherhood audio is officially "out there". Which must be how I have found myself listening to it (ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies).

First thoughts on the audio extras:

Shellshock (AOR version). Oh this is like the Pretty In Pink version! But slightly different here and there.

Johnny James wrote: It's similar to the Pretty In Pink version, but a different edit, same running time weirdly. It also has the extra lines.

Well you did tell us! It's fine, I would probably agree with Perspex's prediction (page 4 here): better than the 12".

As It Is When It Was (Japan demo). Well there are vocals on this demo. A different vocal take I think: no Bernard whoops and also no "oooh" at the very end. The vocal sounds lower in the mix at times. The mix overall is perhaps a bit less polished. Acoustic guitar higher in the mix. It's slightly shorter too: 3:30 instead of 3:45.

Broken Promise (instrumental). It is what it says on the tin. I think it would work quite well soundtracking some muddy car rally footage or "footballs toughest tackles", especially the second half of the track. Bernard's vocals on the original song aren't particularly great, so without the vox...it rocks! Same length as the original.

All Day Long (instrumental). Ever wanted to do Kareoke on this track? Now you can! But it's the ending that surprised me. The track is 5:33 long rather than 5:12. It doesn't fade out, instead it sort of breaks down to the "Wagner" strings and ends on a cold ending. And honestly, this is better! I LOVE this ending. I LOVE IT!! Maybe there were time constraints on the original album but really, THIS is how the track should have ended. Even more imperious than the original, but without the vocals. Now we need someone to splice the two versions together so we can have a longer vocal version.

Every Little Counts (Full length). Maybe a bit disappointing after the above. The discordant ending goes on and on, like a descent into hell - might be useful for a horror movie soundtrack. I can see why they cut this one short. Eventually the discordant stuff tails off and THEN we get the record scratch. It's still there. But I wanted it to come sooner. Hey ho...

Skullcrusher (full length). i listen to this tune so rarely and I care so little for it, that I'm not qualified to comment. Soz!

Mr. Disco wrote: Interview with Stephen:

https://www.brooklynvegan.com/new-orders-stephen-morris-talks-brotherhood-definitive-edition-music-videos-whats-next-more-bv-interview/

This was an excellent interview.

Interviewer really knew his stuff and Steve revealed a lot of info that I didn’t know.

Nice that he revealed why the Stephen Hague mix of BLT happened. Also, like the Shellshock/sewing machine anecdote.

Thanks for posting Mr. D!

perspexorange wrote:

GotBlueEyes wrote:

Shellshock (AOR Version)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-26Ba2-dejM
As It Is When It Was (Japan Demo)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reExTe0dZjo
Broken Promise (Instrumental)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfTbXiYCjAM
All Day Long (Instrumental)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6KJODVjp1w
Every Little Counts (Full Length) (can't find video)
Skullcrusher (Full Length)  (Can't find video)

That it?

The above videos will presumbly work after midnight tonight.

the tracks are up...

shellshock - very familiar sounding, not too many differences that i noticed, its basically all the verses put into a shorter sounding edit

As It Is When It Was (Japan Demo) not that different from the original, but yes a different vocal on it, and few missing bernard sounds

Broken Promise (Instrumental) very short, brief, energetic version, a lot of the guitar solos stand out on it.

All Day Long (Instrumental)  a longer instrumental version as described, nice clean sounding keyboards, and bass

 Every Little Counts (Full Length) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZMwn83eCRg
just a longer ending..

Skullcrusher (Full Length)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6\_3uF-YLZI
again, slight differences, but not much

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Mr Discography wrote:

perspexorange wrote: Hmmm.

Mine from Amazon also says Tuesday. For the box-set and the accompanying 12"s.

Well, that is disappointing.

If you ordered it today on Amazon, it says delivery would be on Thu 28th! Perhaps they're managing expectations due to Black Friday week.

Amazon still says arriving Tuesday, despite me pre-ordering weeks ago. If you ordered it there today, you wouldn't get it until 7 - 13 December, and Prime delivery is no longer available.

My guess is Amazon either have limited stock, or Warners have been slow getting their stock to them. I notice the price has dropped to £131.35, so we'll see if that gets reflected in that Price drop guarantee thing (perhaps not if today is officially the release day, and they only dropped the price today.

Damn annoying. Gotta find a more reliable UK record shop to order future boxed sets from.

perspexorange wrote: Did it come with one of those wraparound 'obi'-style bands?

No 'obi' (comes from the French FNAC website)

Mr Discography wrote:

In A Noisy Place wrote: Just received my copy this morning, one day before release, cool

Whereabouts are you, and where did you order it from? I'm in UK, and Amazon haven't been so good at getting items to me on release date in recent months - even with Prime. My order currently says it's due Tuesday, and all that Black Friday nonsense starts tomorrow - so worried it's not going to get to me tomorrow.

Ordered it (and live) in France at the FNAC website few days after the announcement. I'm lucky on this one. Unusual for me to receive preorders so early. Usually they are rather late (on Saturday or the week after...)