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Mr. Disco wrote: The could release the 7" version of Shame of the Nation digitally... for the sake of completeness
...and the 7 inch edits of 'In A Lonely Place', 'Hurt', 'Lonesome Tonight', 'The Kiss Of Death', 'Dub-Vulture', 'Thieves Like Us Instrumental', 'Bizarre Dub Triangle', 'Beach Buggy' and 'Touched By The Hand Of Dub'!
I might be wrong on this, but I think I do have the 7" version of Touched by the Hand of Dub on the japanese CD-single? ![[uhoh]](/emoticons/uhh.gif){kind=small}
Mr. Disco wrote: I might be wrong on this, but I think I do have the 7" version of Touched by the Hand of Dub on the japanese CD-single?
Yes, it's the "b-side" on the Japanese 3" CD single. I have it as well.
Andy wrote:
Mr. Disco wrote: I might be wrong on this, but I think I do have the 7" version of Touched by the Hand of Dub on the japanese CD-single?
Yes, it's the "b-side" on the Japanese 3" CD single. I have it as well.
Yup, I have it too. But it'd be great if they can comprehensively reissue all the 7" A and B sides as they have done with the 12" versions
Here it is, and it's got (some) Hooky bass on it. Unreleased 12" remix of the classic single 'Bizarre Love Triangle' produced by Stephen Hague.
Do do, do do do do...
New Order - Bizarre Love Triangle (Stephen Hague 12" Remix) [Official Video]
interesting, it starts of slow, and builds up.
the familiar stuff reminds more of the album version.
it could have been longer.
i think overall it is less energetic though, more rock oriented.
they made the right decision.
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Fantastic.
Far, far better than the (quite dull) Pettibone mix, IMHO.
Shame it’s stayed under wraps for so long. Love those doo-doo-doos and that beautiful shimmering keyboard.
Like that bit where the vocal lines start off normal, but then switch to vocoder halfway through.
Yeah. Really, really good.
So this follows the classic Stephen Hague and 1980s 12" extended mix approach, with Stephen Hague's 'Married To The Mob' "single" version in the there, an extended instrumental passage at the start, a slightly extended bit in the middle, and different mix levels.
I like it, but 5:47 is a bit short for a 12" mix - could've done with some longer instrumental sections at the start and end. Also wish he'd have extended the instrumental sections between each verse and chorus back out to the length they are on the 'Brotherhood' version - they're possibly the finest part of the song, after all. Had hoped the 'Doo doo' section would have doubled in length too, but this is essentially a slightly longer version Of the 'Married To The Mob' and '94 versions. Ultimately, I prefer the Shep Pettibone 12" remix.
Also, those "school ground" sound effects at the start, middle and end are a bit odd - never noticed them on any other versions before.
Question for Johnny James. I've always wondered what the story was behind the Stephen Hague remix(es) and when they were made. Were they recorded at the time of 'Brotherhood', or commissioned specifically for 'Married To The Mob'? As there's a 12" remix, were they ever planning to release (or re-released) this version as a single? Was it solely Stephen Hague's work or were the band involved (was never 100% sure if it features a different vocal from Barney to the album version)?
What's the history of these versions? Cheers.
As a NO fan, it's interesting to hear this version.
As a DJ, I wouldn't have spun it. Hague used the kick pattern from the original song, instead of a good solid four on the floor which a remix needs. It's also got the snare mixed louder than the kick, which robs it of a lot of power. I love what he did with the sequencer lines, though.
As much as I love these Hague mixes -- specially the edited(?) one from the Married to the Mob soundtrack, which sounds perfect to my ears -- I can totally get why they chose to go with the much harder beat of Pettibone back in 1986 (and yes, I was 11yo and wouldn't know about New Order for another two years). BLT is probably when the band perfected their """"pop"""formula, and the soundtrack version has the perfect length, leaving the listener wanting more. Now we've got more, and somehow the shorter version still surpasses it
I suppose it wasn't "trendy" to release different singles featuring remixes of the same track back then.
lee wrote: Nothing will beat the original album version
I love that version, but the shorter Hague version from Married To The Mob is my favourite.
The Pettibone mixes never really did anything for me.
Seriously enjoying this new/old Hague effort. Perspex and I are on the same wavelength with this one. But then again, I'm a big fan of Hague as a producer in general.
I know some people find him a bit too safe and "smooth" but he's been responsible for some epic synthpop across the decades. Not least the most recent Dubstar "Two" album which was brilliant.
The Pettibone mix is good but become a bit too familiar, so nice to hear something different.
Don't forget the Richard X full length remix....
The best version is the Hemel Hempstead live approx Nov 85. I think I picked up this tape a month later so knew they were onto better things after 3 poor singles (IMO).
John Kennedy played the 'Married To The Mob' version of 'Bizarre Love Triangle' last night on his Radio X show (1:42 into the show at John Kennedy played the 'Married To The Mob' version of 'Bizarre Love Triangle' last night on his Radio X show (1h 42m into the show at https://www.globalplayer.com/catchup/radiox/uk/episodes/2zGpjiZvYuVHpE6Y3mcrsMbBUT/). That'll be the version I dug out my loft, scanned as a WAV and sent over to Johnny James as no one in the band or label had a copy!
Interesting that John Kennedy calls it the Stephen Hague 12" Mix, when it's clearly a shorter radio version! I expect this will get some airplay on 6 Music in coming weeks too. Obviously the label use shorter versions for radio promotion, as they did with the edited Michael Johnson 'Blue Monday 1988' 12" mix a few weeks back.
Mr Discography wrote: John Kennedy played the 'Married To The Mob' version of 'Bizarre Love Triangle' last night on his Radio X show ...(1h 42m into the show at https://www.globalplayer.com/catchup/radiox/uk/episodes/2zGpjiZvYuVHpE6Y3mcrsMbBUT/). That'll be the version I dug out my loft, scanned as a WAV and sent over to Johnny James as no one in the band or label had a copy!
Interesting that John Kennedy calls it the Stephen Hague 12" Mix, when it's clearly a shorter radio version!
So you reckon it was your rip from the Married To The Mob CD that got played last night?
You should have texted John Kennedy (and explained it's not the 12"). I used to be a regular listener circa 2005-10 and he was always good at reading out texts. Met him once too at Camden Barfly; nice chap.
Debaser wrote: So you reckon it was your rip from the Married To The Mob CD that got played last night?
You should have texted John Kennedy (and explained it's not the 12"). I used to be a regular listener circa 2005-10 and he was always good at reading out texts. Met him once too at Camden Barfly; nice chap.
Yep, it was my rip. Couldn't have texted in, as didn't listen to it until today on catch up.
Jcp7 wrote: Is it the same edit here?
https://www.discogs.com/release/100259-Various-The-Factory-Tape
I've never heard it, but the assumption is yes.
Mr Discography wrote: Yep, it was my rip. Couldn't have texted in, as didn't listen to it until today on catch up.
He's on again tonight. You could text him even if you're not listening.
Jcp7 wrote: I'm tired of these tags that never work!
When you had the image up on Discogs, right click it and open in a new tab. Then copy the URL from that new tab.
As far as I can remember, the Select tape mix is exactly the same as the one on the Married To The Mob soundtrack.
The other similar mix is the ‘94 one on ‘? (the best of) New Order’. It’s pretty much the same, with some slight variation, IIRC.
Jcp7 wrote: Is it the same edit here?
https://www.discogs.com/release/100259-Various-The-Factory-Tape
That's the same running time as my Married to the Mob CD.
Jcp7 wrote: Is it the same edit here?
https://www.discogs.com/release/100259-Various-The-Factory-Tape
I had that tape. Loved it.
https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1258195788538060
Stephen doing the unboxing - good to see the metallic sleeve looks as nice and shiny as it should!
GotBlueEyes wrote: https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1258195788538060
Stephen doing the unboxing - good to see the metallic sleeve looks as nice and shiny as it should!
Ah you've beaten me to it. You must have posted within about 4 minutes of the NO FB post.
Let's see if we can embed the Twitter/X post.
[TWITTER]1845887545437262161[/TWITTER]
What's the T Shirt?
EDIT: Oh it's Harmonia – Musik Von Harmonia
Looking good!
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Steve is just an absolute delight. Seems like the nicest guy you could ever want to meet.
Debaser wrote:
Weird that they are making a big deal of the Midi thing. In PH's autobiography, he says that Low-life was where they first adopted midi
The album (Low-Life) was recorded normally using a 24-track Studer tape machine and our own great collection of equipment, using pretty much the same stuff we used on Power, Corruption & Lies. The only big differences here were the adoption of MIDI technology and the use of SMPTE Timecode.
Likewise SM first mentions it after the technical problems at the 1984 BBC Live session just before Low-Life
Needless to say from that fateful day forward the Prophet sequencer’s days were numbered. There was this hot new thing called MIDI coming out that was today’s future. The answer to my prayers. Some of the more tedious ones anyway.
You won't be surprised to learn that Bernard doesn't mention midi at all in his book ![[:d]](/emoticons/biggrin.gif){kind=small}
