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Production wise, the backing track is a less messy version of 'Beach Buggy', but with vocals (not the 83 or 95 take). 'Beach Buggy' had a slightly different beat to 'Blue Monday 1988' (the 16th not snare drum fill-ins are different to the 83 and 1988 single version).
Was also missing the second verse, but I wonder if it's been edited for broadcast on Radio 6.
thanks for posting the link for the preview.
i like that its less busy, and follows the vocals and sounds of the original more.
definitely a different vocal take. lots of subtle variations on the words and verses.
nice to hear another version.
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I imagine this vocal take is of the same vintage as the one later used on the Brain Mix in '95 (the one with the Sunkist verse). It sounds similar to my ears.
Andy wrote: I imagine this vocal take is of the same vintage as the one later used on the Brain Mix in '95 (the one with the Sunkist verse). It sounds similar to my ears.
So I was right about 6 Music playing a version of this that was edited for radio play. This has, more or less, the structure and beats of 'Beach Buggy', only minus the silly samples and with vocals added. It's like a vocal version of that dub.
Pretty decent.
Can't remember now, but did any of the other 95 remixes use the re-recorded vocals (apart from the Brain Mix)?
The Hardfloor ones had what seemed like quite laid back vocals so, without checking, I'm guessing they used them.
I seem to remember that the 95 remixes were, on the whole, pretty good (much like those Confusion remixes of the early noughties). But I haven't listened to them in years.
The opening lyrics are slightly different to the original 83 version & 88 remix and the same as Brain Mix - sounds like the same take was used.
!!!!!! Trainspotter Alert!!!!!!
Been scrubbing through the 95 remixes, just to check which ones used which vocals.
Hardfloor Remix/Radio Edit/Dub/Video Edit/Lakes Edit/DanceZone Level 6 Edit - 1988 re-recorded vocals
Andrea Mix - 1988 re-recorded vocals
Brain Mix (aka Corleone Mix) - 1988 re-recorded vocals
Starwash Mix - 1988 re-recorded vocals
Manuella Mix/Edit - 1988 re-recorded vocals (probably! Very few vocal samples and, whatever is there, has been put through effects)
Plutone Mix/Dub/Radio Edit - 1988 re-recorded vocals (I think!, based on what little vocal samples there are)
Hawtin Mix/'From Manchester With Love' Edit - No vocals
Phew! So pretty much all of them. Perhaps remixers were only supplied with the '88 vocals.
As you were…
I'm pretty sure all the vocal versions of 'Blue Monday 1988' featured the original 1983 vocals - with the exception of this newly released Michael Johnson Mix.
The 1995 Brain Mix has the lyrics from the aborted "Sunkist is the one" advert right at the end. Is it therefore possible that when they worked on that advert, a completely new vocal take for all of 'Blue Monday' was recorded, and that's the vocal track that was shared with remixers for the 1995 release (possibly in error) - and also appeared on this new 1988 version?
Does anyone know when they were working on that Sunkist advert? It's mentioned in NewOrderStory, so it must vahe been before 1993 - and given this new mix, possibly before 1988.
The Sunkist commercial is on YouTube. From the first syllable you can tell it's the same vocal as the Michael Johnson 12".
The Substance tour wrapped December 10, 1987, and apart from two dates in Italy in February '88, they're not on the road again until November. Blue Monday 1988 was released May 25th.
Substance was New Order's most successful album in the States (Billboard #36) up to that point, and like Depeche Mode, they were VERY popular in southern California. This is pure speculation on my part, but I'm thinking Quincy Jones realized they'd missed an opportunity to score a hit with the original Blue Monday, because it was released here via Rough Trade and not Qwest. He asked the band to let him remix or update it, similar to Temptation and Confusion on Substance, to be released as another single promoting Substance - or at least to keep some momentum going, since TBTHOG wasn't released here. The band headed to L.A. in March or April, to re-record vocals (for Quincy, and possibly for the Sunkist ad), and to film the video, because artist William Wegman was located in L.A. It charted at #68, and got a lot of exposure on MTV, so in that regard it was successful. It kept the band visible until Fine Time was released in November, and then Technique becomes their highest charting U.S. album until Republic.
I've heard three stories about this time:
I remember reading a comment on a YouTube upload of that 'advert' from NewOrderStory. The guy commenting said he worked for an advertising company, loved the band, and came up with the idea for the commercial. He tried to sell it to the band but, ultimately, they wouldn't do it. From all accounts, the video shown on NOS was just a 'mock up' and never intended for release (not sure if the advertising company did it or it was a later thing done by the producers of the documentary). After all, Hooky flips the bird in it, so not sanitary enough for a TV commercial, I wouldn't've thought.
The band re-recorded the vocals for the 1988 version, but Quincey/Potoker preferred the original vocals (too right!), so shelved the 1988 re-recorded vocals.
When the 95 remixes were commissioned, the vocals supplied to remixers included lines recorded for the Sunkist commercial. This was apparently an error and shouldn't've been included.
So, pure speculation on my part, but a possible timeline was:
a) Advertising company approached the band about the ad, who said they'd think about it. b) (Possibly unrelated) Band decided to get Jones/Potoker/Johnson to remix Blue Monday. c) Bernard recorded new vocals. As the advert was still a possibility at this point, they decided to record the vocals for that commercial at the same time. d) Quincey at al decided not to use the new vocals. e) Band (or Gretton, apparently) decided not to go through with the ad. f) Tapes containing new vocals and Sunkist vocals lurk in the vaults until 1993. g) Morley/Gretton etc. dig out the vocals to the ad for use in NewOrderStory and a 'mock up' video is created . h) Again, vocals are mothballed until 1995 when new remixes are commissioned. These may or may not have contained the Sunkist vocals which were then used in the Brain Remix (alternatively, of course, the remixer might just have sampled NewOrderStory).
Perhaps JJ can shed some light here.
perspexorange wrote: I've heard three stories about this time:
I remember reading a comment on a YouTube upload of that 'advert' from NewOrderStory. The guy commenting said he worked for an advertising company, loved the band, and came up with the idea for the commercial. He tried to sell it to the band but, ultimately, they wouldn't do it. From all accounts, the video shown on NOS was just a 'mock up' and never intended for release (not sure if the advertising company did it or it was a later thing done by the producers of the documentary). After all, Hooky flips the bird in it, so not sanitary enough for a TV commercial, I wouldn't've thought.
The band re-recorded the vocals for the 1988 version, but Quincey/Potoker preferred the original vocals (too right!), so shelved the 1988 re-recorded vocals.
When the 95 remixes were commissioned, the vocals supplied to remixers included lines recorded for the Sunkist commercial. This was apparently an error and shouldn't've been included.
So, pure speculation on my part, but a possible timeline was:
a) Advertising company approached the band about the ad, who said they'd think about it. b) (Possibly unrelated) Band decided to get Jones/Potoker/Johnson to remix Blue Monday. c) Bernard recorded new vocals. As the advert was still a possibility at this point, they decided to record the vocals for that commercial at the same time. d) Quincey at al decided not to use the new vocals. e) Band (or Gretton, apparently) decided not to go through with the ad. f) Tapes containing new vocals and Sunkist vocals lurk in the vaults until 1993. g) Morley/Gretton etc. dig out the vocals to the ad for use in NewOrderStory and a 'mock up' video is created . h) Again, vocals are mothballed until 1995 when new remixes are commissioned. These may or may not have contained the Sunkist vocals which were then used in the Brain Remix (alternatively, of course, the remixer might just have sampled NewOrderStory).
Perhaps JJ can shed some light here.
I think you've probably nailed the timeline here. Only thing not possible, is sampling from NewOrderStory - the technology didn't exist back then to isolate vocals from the music.
Agreed that what appears in NewOrderStory is just a "what if." Barney says he couldn't get through the singing because the lyrics were so corny, but at least one take with the Sunkist lyrics was completed because it shows up in the '95 remixes.
perspexorange wrote:
- I remember reading a comment on a YouTube upload of that 'advert' from NewOrderStory. The guy commenting said he worked for an advertising company, loved the band, and came up with the idea for the commercial. He tried to sell it to the band but, ultimately, they wouldn't do it.
There was a YT comment from a guy who said he worked for the advertising agency. They tried to convince Sunkist to go ahead with the ad but ultumately Sunkist said no. I know officially NO claim that Rob told them not to do it, but that may not be the whole truth.
Found it. From the YT comments under this video:
Cary Raffle: I was the vp and manager of the Sunkist account at their ad agency when this demo was created I think twas 1988. I am still heart broken to this day that we could not get our client to use this music in their campaign. It wasn't about the money, they just had really conservative taste.
Where he says "client" he means Sunkist, not NO.
Debaser wrote:
Where he says "client" he means Sunkist, not NO.
Ah. Yeah, that makes sense. I think it's probably a good thing they didn't do it.
Thanks for finding the comment, D. Knew I wasn't imagining it.
Certainly seems then that the video was a mock up for NewOrderStory.
perspexorange wrote:
Debaser wrote:
Where he says "client" he means Sunkist, not NO.
Ah. Yeah, that makes sense. I think it's probably a good thing they didn't do it.
Thanks for finding the comment, D. Knew I wasn't imagining it.
Certainly seems then that the video was a mock up for NewOrderStory.
For a mock up, it sounds pretty good. I’m talking about the backing track here. It has a nice fat dubby sound, 100 times better than some of those woeful ‘95 remixes (excluding the Hardfloor Remix obvs). Had a quick listen of the Brain mix and was not impressed.
This is the kind of information I'd expect to read on the books that come within the box sets. Track by track, preferably.
Mr. Disco wrote: This is the kind of information I'd expect to read on the books that come within the box sets. Track by track, preferably.
Some great insight here...why I still love popping into NOOL :)
anyone know the story about 'evil dust'?
i first got it on this compilation cassette :
https://www.discogs.com/release/294296-Various-Funky-Alternatives-18-Exclusive-Techno-Remixes
which is actually an industrial music compilation..
then got it lp, and cd: https://www.discogs.com/release/55090-Various-Funky-Alternatives-Volume-1
finally of course, it came as an extra track on the true faith CDV: https://www.discogs.com/release/462979-New-Order-True-Faith
it's been on 20 other compilation cds since then..
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was it going to be a single?
it would have been great.
very dark, sinister lyrics.
excellent musical parts, breakdowns sounds.
the evil dust version has a 'harmonica' sound solo in it? or is it a melodica..
all in under 4 minutes.
it really needed a good extended mix.. however evil dust is mostly instrumental.. made my own mix.. but really need to try again...
-- next up .. was 'way of life' going to be a single in the US? there was a 12 inch promo... the album cut.
another one of my favorite songs from them.
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I'm not sure on whether Angel/Evil Dust was ever considered for a single. It's good enough, I reckon (probably better than State Of The Nation; in my eyes, at least). I wonder whether the band/Factory thought it was too good to just put it out on that obscure 'Funky Alternatives' release, so stuck it on the True Faith CDV. They probably needed some incentive for people to buy that product, as I can't imagine many people would've bought it for the video (I don't think I've ever seen a CDV player!).
Incidentally, it might have helped sales if they'd identified that the True Faith (7 Inch) was actually an edit of the Shep Pettibone remix.
Again, the Blue Monday 1988 CDV was similarly mislabelled, with rare remixes on it. Typical Factory; fantastic care and attention to the design of the artwork, but completely half-arsed when it came to track listings. Gotta love 'em. :-)
On a simliar note, I was wondering about another curiousity from the 'Brotherhood' era:
Theme (hommage a la MGM).
First appearing here (credited to Be Music):
https://www.discogs.com/master/287446-Various-The-Quick-Neat-Job-Crépuscule-Collection-1
Then here (again, as Be Music):
https://www.discogs.com/master/273613-Various-Moving-Soundtracks-Volume-One
Third release (again, as Be Music):
https://www.discogs.com/master/11026-Various-Cool-As-Ice-The-Be-Music-Productions
Then, finally (for now, at least):
https://www.discogs.com/master/1129228-Various-New-Order-Presents-Be-Music
Interestingly, this last release was credited to Peter Hook, rather than BeMusic, and the name was given as 'Lavolta Lakota Theme'.
So, presumably, only Hooky was involved in this? No other band members? If so, that probably precluded it from getting a release on this box set. I know Hooky was involved in the live sound for Lavolta Lakota (featuring Dave Hicks from Revenge) and I seem to think I read somewhere that Hooky used this music as the band's 'walk on' music. Not sure how true this is though (I may have imagined it). Anyone know anything else about this obscure track?
negative1 wrote: anyone know the story about 'evil dust'? it really needed a good extended mix.. however evil dust is mostly instrumental.. made my own mix.. but really need to try again...
Here's an extended mix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9bqficwSio
I did once own a copy in the 80s of the LP of that Funky Alternatives comp with Evil Dust on. Alas, no longer have it as i , stupidly, sold a load of vinyl many years ago. I do have the True Faith CDV with it on though. I never bothered with the Blue Monday 88 CDV despite constantly seeing it for sale in Record shops in late 80s and early 90s.
Mr Discography wrote:
negative1 wrote: anyone know the story about 'evil dust'? it really needed a good extended mix.. however evil dust is mostly instrumental.. made my own mix.. but really need to try again...
Here's an extended mix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9bqficwSio
pretty average, they just put 1/2 of evil dust - then the album version - the 2nd half of evil dust at the end.
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Interestingly, this last release was credited to Peter Hook, rather than BeMusic, and the name was given as 'Lavolta Lakota Theme'.
So, presumably, only Hooky was involved in this? No other band members? If so, that probably precluded it from getting a release on this box set. I know Hooky was involved in the live sound for Lavolta Lakota (featuring Dave Hicks from Revenge) and I seem to think I read somewhere that Hooky used this music as the band's 'walk on' music. Not sure how true this is though (I may have imagined it). Anyone know anything else about this obscure track?
Here is a link to the song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv0yozcJvL0
i understand keeping the Be Music tracks separate. Aside from them having recently been collected in the New Order Presents Be Music box, it would sort of be akin to including Revenge tracks in the Technique box.
Andy wrote: i understand keeping the Be Music tracks separate. Aside from them having recently been collected in the New Order Presents Be Music box, it would sort of be akin to including Revenge tracks in the Technique box.
I agree, almost.
It just depends on how many band members were involved, I guess.
After all, wasn’t the Xmas flexi credited to Be Music? And, although they weren’t particularly great, I don’t think there would’ve been much argument if they were included on a NO compilation. Disappointment maybe. 😉
So, I guess what I am saying is, if it was just Hooky, no inclusion on anything NO. If it was him plus Bernard etc., yes.
perspexorange wrote:
Andy wrote: i understand keeping the Be Music tracks separate. Aside from them having recently been collected in the New Order Presents Be Music box, it would sort of be akin to including Revenge tracks in the Technique box.
I agree, almost.
It just depends on how many band members were involved, I guess.
After all, wasn’t the Xmas flexi credited to Be Music? And, although they weren’t particularly great, I don’t think there would’ve been much argument if they were included on a NO compilation. Disappointment maybe. 😉
So, I guess what I am saying is, if it was just Hooky, no inclusion on anything NO. If it was him plus Bernard etc., yes.
Wonder how the Making Out tracks fit in. I think the first couple of series credited the music to New Order, but series three (when the production of the music changed slightly) was just The Other Two. I'd assume we'll get some of the series 1&2 tracks on the Technique set ('Vanishing Point' (Instrumenal Making Out Mix)' was on the 'Round & Round' single, after all.
Always wondered if Barney had any involvement in the Making Out tracks - it's certainly got Hooky on there.
This has just been posted:
Stunning! Absolutely brilliant. A legendary band at their very peak.
Subvulture wrote:
Here is a link to the song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv0yozcJvL0
Thanks. yeah - I do know it, but it's only in recent years it's been labelled as 'Peter Hook' and 'Lavolta Lakota Theme'. Just wondered if this was the correct designation, as it hadn't been labelled like that previously.
Ta for that link to the newly released G-Mex 86 clip, perspex.
1986...wow. Such a very very different time.
Hooky has enough before the end and exits stage. Barney throws his guitar at the end . Not enough Gillian in that clip methinks. Andy Robinson gets a look in though.
Can't remember who headlined was it The Smiths or NO.
The could release the 7" version of Shame of the Nation digitally... for the sake of completeness ![[:d]](/emoticons/biggrin.gif){kind=small}
