New Order top 20 rare releases

the bm with the red stripe is the tonpress one with thieves on the b side, 7" is it not?

Originally posted by Spotnick Is this a way of telling me my discography is not up to date? :D

He, he. I'm sure NOOL's discography is more up to date than http://www.niagara.edu/neworder, though an update is in progress... Coming to a web-site near you. Summer 2003. Besides, I was under the impression that your objective is somewhat different than the niagara site - whose objective is to support collectors.

/T. "Still waiting for a postage quote"

Originally posted by Hibster the bm with the red stripe is the tonpress one with thieves on the b side, 7" is it not?

No. The one in the list is the Polish 7" promo, cat# DS-25A. A scan of that promo (basically just a purple-ish sleeve) will be in the next update of the Discography @ http://www.niagara.edu/neworder ...

/T.

Originally posted by Murv Ooo er, the big man himself.......my what a fine New Order Discography.:D

I'm not really that big, though I reach 6 feet... While I may have a substantial collection, it is not in the same division as Mr. WiM and some other collectors around the world - they know who they are. I'm just an infoholic putting information together.

Regarding the rarity-list, basing it on known quantities is a little bit misleading.

For example, the Confusion 2k2 promo may be very rare but coming in at #8 is a little bit optimistic. There are other promos that are more limited, but since the exact quantity is not known, any numbers have been left out from the discography entries.

Also, does anyone really consider the Retro boxes to qualify for the list over the top-20 rare items? Especially given the release of the bonus-CD as a promo.

There are much rarer items out there, many of them never released such as a acoustic version of 60mph with David Potts on piano/keyboard (sorry all Monaco-haters), apparently only a CDR in max 6 copies. There is also a David Tenaglia remix of World that was never released, but put on a in-house tape. There is a reason of course why some items are never released...

Interesting topic though.

/T.

Now TLV your talking mega rare....this list is just the basic rare:D . I thought I'd just collate what is known ..besides your input has already changed things somewhat. Maybe we can adapt this list to make a more precise Top 20. Any suggestions?

What about how BRILLIANTLY MINTY MINT is YOUR MINTY MINT collection because i was such an OBSESSIVE collector that i neverbought SUBSTANCE ORIGINAL because the covers where MARKED.So if it is absolute to the NTH degree quality then i probably have the BEST COLLECTION IN THE WORLD EVER But serously who is MORE MAD THAN MAD ROCKET MICK THE POLICE ARE COMING FOR YOU DESPITE YOUR COLLECTION MICK?:D

Surely the original UK Fac 73/7 Blue Monday 7" promo would nestle into that Top 20, no?

Don't see anywhere near as many of them as you do say a Run2 7" . . .

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Hate to break it to you like this Depthy, but the UK 7" of Blue Monday *whispers* doesn't exist!!

Originally posted by Rocket Mick What about how BRILLIANTLY MINTY MINT is YOUR MINTY MINT collection because i was such an OBSESSIVE collector that i neverbought SUBSTANCE ORIGINAL because the covers where MARKED.So if it is absolute to the NTH degree quality then i probably have the BEST COLLECTION IN THE WORLD EVERBut serously who is MORE MAD THAN MAD ROCKET MICK THE POLICE ARE COMING FOR YOU DESPITE YOUR COLLECTION MICK?:D

Im nearly there, maybe I need a break from this obsession of collecting, compiling a Top 20..I ask you...shouldve been a top 50 :D

Originally posted by Murv Now TLV your talking mega rare....this list is just the basic rare:D . I thought I'd just collate what is known ..besides your input has already changed things somewhat. Maybe we can adapt this list to make a more precise Top 20. Any suggestions?

Rarity is a very subjective concept. For me, I can find the flicker book more easily than a CD version of From Brussels With Love (which I finally found...)

BTW: I just checked my database, and the Argentinan testpress of Technique with withdrawn cover was apparently made in 10 copies.

/TLV

Originally posted by Old Blue Hate to break it to you like this Depthy, but the UK 7" of Blue Monday *whispers* doesn't exist!!

Did I miss something?

When was this suddenly decided? The promo 7" has been referred to on discography sites and by hardcore collectors for years.

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Yeah, I know BUT

• When it was in the charts, Radio 1 always played the 12", if there was a 7" I'm certain they would have used it.
• None of the big 4 internet sites are able to provide timings for this supposed edit, or more importantly a PICTURE.
• I've been asking at every collectors fair I've attended for the last 15 odd years, and all I ever get is blank looks.
• In Vol 2 of the Cuttings book, there is a piece by an Alan Jones dated Apr 2 1983 discussing why Blue Monday appeared in the singles chart, which is based on 7" sales. And I quote..."a quick call to Factory confirmed that no such disc exists".

So all the evidence seems to suggest...

Originally posted by TLV > Originally posted by Murv> Now TLV your talking mega rare....this list is just the basic rare:D . I thought I'd just collate what is known ..besides your input has already changed things somewhat. Maybe we can adapt this list to make a more precise Top 20. Any suggestions?

Rarity is a very subjective concept. For me, I can find the flicker book more easily than a CD version of From Brussels With Love (which I finally found...)

BTW: I just checked my database, and the Argentinan testpress of Technique with withdrawn cover was apparently made in 10 copies.

/TLV

The Argentine testpress of Technique with the withdrawn cover is it classed as a promo? or mispress? and whats the difference between the testpress and the released version?

Originally posted by Old Blue Yeah, I know BUT

• When it was in the charts, Radio 1 always played the 12", if there was a 7" I'm certain they would have used it.
• None of the big 4 internet sites are able to provide timings for this supposed edit, or more importantly a PICTURE.
• I've been asking at every collectors fair I've attended for the last 15 odd years, and all I ever get is blank looks.
• In Vol 2 of the Cuttings book, there is a piece by an Alan Jones dated Apr 2 1983 discussing why Blue Monday appeared in the singles chart, which is based on 7" sales. And I quote..."a quick call to Factory confirmed that no such disc exists".

So all the evidence seems to suggest...

also, i remember reading a letter in a muso publication from a sad individual who collected every chart release and stored them on jukeboxes, and guess what was the only disc he didn't have....BM as it was only on 12"

Originally posted by Old Blue So all the evidence seems to suggest...

Hot diggity dog Old Blue: bullets, bold type and all! What a solid defence you're mounting. Still, most of that's a little.. anecdotal.

I'm not referring to an official 7" release, just a limited release promo. As you mentioned, it always cops an inclusion in the major discogs, with reason. Perhaps Mr Ivarsson can shed some light here. I myself have seen it for sale on GEMM in the past for upwards of USD$150, although I was never able to 100% corroborate its existence with the seller. I also recall Jonathon Scott referring to it (on these very pages I think) and he is particularly cluey on the older gear. Mr WiM is also of the belief that it exists.

I remain sceptical of its existence but aren't yet convinced either way.

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Promo or regular release, makes no difference. We're talking about a UK 7" of BM. Don't get me wrong, dC. I'm not poo-pooing it's existence entirely. The point I was trying to make is that everyone thinks it exists, but I have yet to find anyone that can confirm it exists.

Like yourself, I remain sceptical. I'd love to be proved wrong one day.

Is the way of life 12" rare? I've got that...

and that true faith 94 DJ promo thingy...

Originally posted by Major Tarantino Is the way of life 12" rare? I've got that... and that true faith 94 DJ promo thingy...

Yes and No you miserable sod.What happened to your manners the OTHER night.:p Welcome back T-BAG!:D

but not necessarily in that order...

Originally posted by Hibster but not necessarily in that order...

I agree, but then again neither are rare...but will figure in the top 500 at a later date along with all those 3 track promos of european international.:D

phew.....its good to know that I have 3 of those TOP 21 items....no.16, no.17 & no. 21 - all 'bottom-of-the-ladder' stuffs, though.....

world in motion remixes promo cd

Originally posted by Murv The Argentine testpress of Technique with the withdrawn cover is it classed as a promo? or mispress? and whats the difference between the testpress and the released version?

I would probably class the testpress as a testpress and not a promo. Not all testpresses were used as promos - something that is quite common today, probably because the need of checking the quality is not that big.

I'm not sure what the diff really is. I have the regular one right next to me. The testpress is on another continent, so I can't check. However, I will be visiting the second half of my collection in June so I'll check if I can remember... I will probably also do some scans of items not scanned yet.

/TLV

Originally posted by depthcharge > Originally posted by Old Blue So all the evidence seems to suggest...

Hot diggity dog Old Blue: bullets, bold type and all! What a solid defence you're mounting. Still, most of that's a little.. anecdotal.

I'm not referring to an official 7" release, just a limited release promo. As you mentioned, it always cops an inclusion in the major discogs, with reason. Perhaps Mr Ivarsson can shed some light here. I myself have seen it for sale on GEMM in the past for upwards of USD$150, although I was never able to 100% corroborate its existence with the seller. I also recall Jonathon Scott referring to it (on these very pages I think) and he is particularly cluey on the older gear. Mr WiM is also of the belief that it exists.

I remain sceptical of its existence but aren't yet convinced either way.

:\pimp3:

He, he. A hotly debated topic. Ask the Q on the Factory list and you'll get some quite passionate answers. No one seems to own it, but that doesn't prove that it doesn't exists. No one seems to be able to prove that it doesn't exist either.

Personally, I think it does exists but was never used as a promo - similar to the JP 7" promo that never made it since the apparently NO didn't like the edit. Now, the JP 7" promo does exists for sure.

The reason it is in the Discography @ http://www.niagara.edu/neworder is because it was listed in a quite extensive discography kept by fernando (the man, the myth, the legend...) His criteria for including any item was that someone had it. Who he knew who had it (say it loud 10 times...), I don't know. He does credit Eddie Graham (US), Mark Buckwalter (US), and Peter Hook (UK). It's possible that one of them has a copy.

Until someone else has proven it wrong, it will be listed.

/T.

Originally posted by TLV > Originally posted by Murv> The Argentine testpress of Technique with the withdrawn cover is it classed as a promo? or mispress? and whats the difference between the testpress and the released version?

I would probably class the testpress as a testpress and not a promo. Not all testpresses were used as promos - something that is quite common today, probably because the need of checking the quality is not that big.

I'm not sure what the diff really is. I have the regular one right next to me. The testpress is on another continent, so I can't check. However, I will be visiting the second half of my collection in June so I'll check if I can remember... I will probably also do some scans of items not scanned yet.

/TLV

Almanso, Argentinian NOOLer, tells me the 1st issue doesn`t have the words "New Order-Technique" on the cover. Does the vinyl have a white lable?

Originally posted by Murv Almanso, Argentinian NOOLer, tells me the 1st issue doesn`t have the words "New Order-Technique" on the cover. Does the vinyl have a white lable?

I have to get back to you on that one. In July...

Unless someone here has the answer.

/T.