New Order top 20 rare releases

Originally posted by Rocket Mick How much for VIDA POBRE...i paid £18 in about 1990!

......US$25

Originally posted by Murv > Originally posted by Rocket Mick> How much for VIDA POBRE...i paid £18 in about 1990!

......US$25

Just shows how much cheaper you can get certain items for these days!

7.UK 2002 12"Confusion ( WACKT 002 C/D)[Promo 150 Copies W/ Reaction Sheet][Sept promo] 7: I actually got that promo from HMV.co.uk...

Yeah, these have the original vocals on, rather than the re-recorded ones by Barney that featured on the officially released twelve inches and CD single. The running times are the same, and everything else sounds identical, but it's just a different vocal track.

Andy

Originally posted by Andrew Morrison > > 7.UK 2002 12"Confusion ( WACKT 002 C/D)[Promo 150 Copies W/ Reaction Sheet][Sept promo]> 7: I actually got that promo from HMV.co.uk...Yeah, these have the original vocals on, rather than the re-recorded ones by Barney that featured on the officially released twelve inches and CD single. The running times are the same, and everything else sounds identical, but it's just a different vocal track.Andy

Interesting...must make it more collectable then. I took it out of the top 20, due to unknown quantities of previous WLP`s, maybe it should be reinstated as it is quite rare.

MURV...how do you afford all these records.Are you a BANKROBBER? :D

Originally posted by Rocket Mick MURV...how do you afford all these records.Are you a BANKROBBER? :D

Nah.. Ive been pawning the missuss jewellery:D

Originally posted by Murv > Originally posted by Rocket Mick> MURV...how do you afford all these records.Are you a BANKROBBER? :D

Nah.. Ive been pawning the missuss jewellery:D

Cost me 2 DIVORCES doing that though.Turned out nice again!:D

Originally posted by Huntsman DAT quality is beautiful. If anyone has a player it would be worthwhile taking the bull by the horns and pouring a decent cup of tea whilst enjoying the Technical experience.DAT (for those who aren't keen) is ordinarily used as a master, used to generate copies for mass consumption (a bit like copying the recipe for vegetable pasties, then replicating throughout The Bakers Oven chain of bakers). So, if you have the DAT, you may be listening to a brighter, more clearer Technique than is available on any other format, including cassette tape.Digital Audio Tape = yes please.

'Tis all digital data, ones and noughts. In theory the CDs copies ought to sound exactly the same as the DATs. Even the DAT versions would have been copied, so there's no difference.

Andy

Originally posted by Andrew Morrison > Originally posted by Huntsman> DAT quality is beautiful. If anyone has a player it would be worthwhile taking the bull by the horns and pouring a decent cup of tea whilst enjoying the Technical experience.> > DAT (for those who aren't keen) is ordinarily used as a master, used to generate copies for mass consumption (a bit like copying the recipe for vegetable pasties, then replicating throughout The Bakers Oven chain of bakers). So, if you have the DAT, you may be listening to a brighter, more clearer Technique than is available on any other format, including cassette tape.> > Digital Audio Tape = yes please.> >

'Tis all digital data, ones and noughts. In theory the CDs copies ought to sound exactly the same as the DATs. Even the DAT versions would have been copied, so there's no difference.

Andy So still not as good as VINYL then!

Originally posted by Rocket Mick > Originally posted by Andrew Morrison> > > > Originally posted by Huntsman> > DAT quality is beautiful. If anyone has a player it would be worthwhile taking the bull by the horns and pouring a decent cup of tea whilst enjoying the Technical experience.> > > > DAT (for those who aren't keen) is ordinarily used as a master, used to generate copies for mass consumption (a bit like copying the recipe for vegetable pasties, then replicating throughout The Bakers Oven chain of bakers). So, if you have the DAT, you may be listening to a brighter, more clearer Technique than is available on any other format, including cassette tape.> > > > Digital Audio Tape = yes please.> > > > >

'Tis all digital data, ones and noughts. In theory the CDs copies ought to sound exactly the same as the DATs. Even the DAT versions would have been copied, so there's no difference.

Andy So still not as good as VINYL then!

Depends on how the vinyl was mastered: I bet these days it's pressed from the digital master tapes, rather than analogue ones, though I'm not totally sure how these things are done.

Andy.

Originally posted by almanso > Originally posted by TLV> > > > Originally posted by Murv> > Almanso, Argentinian NOOLer, tells me the 1st issue doesn`t have the words "New Order-Technique" on the cover. Does the vinyl have a white lable?>

I have to get back to you on that one. In July...

Unless someone here has the answer.

/T. from my knowdledge there´re two argentinian editions of Technique. one just like the original UK sleeve, and other one with "NewOrder-Technique" written on the sleeve. the first edition was the original one and then they released the second one with the band´s name in order to "let the people know who the band was". i have the first one, because i bought it the first day it was out. i didn´t see another copy of that one since then. the second one you can find it anywhere for 10 pesos (3 US dollars). both releases have red labels on the vinyls, though. BUT i just don´t know if test press were made. no info about that. another rarity must be the argentinian Substance II vinyl with black sleeve. they´re difficult to find even in Argentina. i saw one for 50 dollars a couple of years ago. don´t know how many copies were made of that. but they were made by a record label "DG Discos" that broke shortly after. it was released by the same date as Technique, on 1989. i bought one a copy the same day i bought Technique. the record company was dead by 1990. so did most of the vinyl productions in Argentina.

The testpress I have doesn`t have writing on the front of the sleeve apart from DG234 in 2mm high black type in a white box with black surround located in the top R.H corner. The back of the sleeve has New Order Technique and titles in english with the other info in spanish. The vinyl has a white lable and has DG 234 and DG 234-B on the run off notation.

Another Argentinian copy I have, which isnt listed in any New Order discography that Ive seen, is the Technique Promo on London/Polygram Catalogue No. 520 011-1 release date 1992. It has New Order Technique on the front of the sleeve and the titles in spanish and english on the reverse. The vinyl has a black lable with difusion venta prohibida stamped on the lable. Does anyone else have one of these?

Originally posted by Old Blue The rarest one I know about is FACT300, the Republic pre-mix cassette. Contains mostly instrumental mixes of the tracks that went on to form the album.

I have a CD of Republic that looks just the like commercial U.S. release...except that Peter Hook's bass is practically absent from the mix!

Apparently only a few hundred thousand were pressed.

Originally posted by Gnu Odor > Originally posted by Old Blue The rarest one I know about is FACT300, the Republic pre-mix cassette. Contains mostly instrumental mixes of the tracks that went on to form the album.

I have a CD of Republic that looks just the like commercial U.S. release...except that Peter Hook's bass is practically absent from the mix!

Apparently only a few hundred thousand were pressed.

Excrement Odour

Originally posted by Murv > Originally posted by Gnu Odor> > > > Originally posted by Old Blue> The rarest one I know about is FACT300, the Republic pre-mix cassette. Contains mostly instrumental mixes of the tracks that went on to form the album.

I have a CD of Republic that looks just the like commercial U.S. release...except that Peter Hook's bass is practically absent from the mix!

Apparently only a few hundred thousand were pressed.

Excrement Odour Well i have the original with BASS...it is called TECHNIQUE IN THE MIX!:D

Any additions NOOLers?

Originally posted by Murv > Originally posted by almanso > Originally posted by TLV> > > > Originally posted by Murv> > Almanso, Argentinian NOOLer, tells me the 1st issue doesn`t have the words "New Order-Technique" on the cover. Does the vinyl have a white lable?>

I have to get back to you on that one. In July...

Unless someone here has the answer.

/T. from my knowdledge there´re two argentinian editions of Technique. one just like the original UK sleeve, and other one with "NewOrder-Technique" written on the sleeve. the first edition was the original one and then they released the second one with the band´s name in order to "let the people know who the band was". i have the first one, because i bought it the first day it was out. i didn´t see another copy of that one since then. the second one you can find it anywhere for 10 pesos (3 US dollars). both releases have red labels on the vinyls, though. BUT i just don´t know if test press were made. no info about that. another rarity must be the argentinian Substance II vinyl with black sleeve. they´re difficult to find even in Argentina. i saw one for 50 dollars a couple of years ago. don´t know how many copies were made of that. but they were made by a record label "DG Discos" that broke shortly after. it was released by the same date as Technique, on 1989. i bought one a copy the same day i bought Technique. the record company was dead by 1990. so did most of the vinyl productions in Argentina.

The testpress I have doesn`t have writing on the front of the sleeve apart from DG234 in 2mm high black type in a white box with black surround located in the top R.H corner. The back of the sleeve has New Order Technique and titles in english with the other info in spanish. The vinyl has a white lable and has DG 234 and DG 234-B on the run off notation.

Another Argentinian copy I have, which isnt listed in any New Order discography that Ive seen, is the Technique Promo on London/Polygram Catalogue No. 520 011-1 release date 1992. It has New Order Technique on the front of the sleeve and the titles in spanish and english on the reverse. The vinyl has a black lable with difusion venta prohibida stamped on the lable. Does anyone else have one of these?

Ok, it's not July yet, but I don't think anyone will mind... Checking my personal collection and the info posted here and elsewhere, this is what I can deduct regarding the AR Technique:

Vinyl:

• Testpress, white labels with DG 234 A/B written on them. 10 made. The sleeve used is the "clean" sleeve with "DG 234" in upper right corner. Groove notation "DG234A" and "DG234B"
• Regular release, red labels, groove notation as the testpress
• Promotional (London) release 1992 (cat# 520011-1 and LADO 2), black labels, tracks listed in spanish and english. Groove notation? Sleeve?

Sleeve:

• Withdrawn sleeve, like the UK one but with "DG 234" in a black box in upper right corner. Used for testpress and initial copies of the regular release.
• Regular sleeve, as the withdrawn sleeve but with additional text in black print to the upper right: "Neworder" and "Technique" just below. Used for the regular release
• Promo sleeve, as the UK one but with "Neworder Technique" to the upper right. "Neworder" in white and "Technique" in turquoise. "PolyGram" down in the left corner. Used for the 1992 promo (London) issue.

So, if anyone have the promo issue for trade, let me know...

The Discography, http://www.niagara.edu/neworder, will reflect this in the next update.

/TLV

Originally posted by TLV > Originally posted by Murv> > > > Originally posted by almanso> > Originally posted by TLV> > > > Originally posted by Murv> > Almanso, Argentinian NOOLer, tells me the 1st issue doesn`t have the words "New Order-Technique" on the cover. Does the vinyl have a white lable?>

I have to get back to you on that one. In July...

Unless someone here has the answer.

/T. from my knowdledge there´re two argentinian editions of Technique. one just like the original UK sleeve, and other one with "NewOrder-Technique" written on the sleeve. the first edition was the original one and then they released the second one with the band´s name in order to "let the people know who the band was". i have the first one, because i bought it the first day it was out. i didn´t see another copy of that one since then. the second one you can find it anywhere for 10 pesos (3 US dollars). both releases have red labels on the vinyls, though. BUT i just don´t know if test press were made. no info about that. another rarity must be the argentinian Substance II vinyl with black sleeve. they´re difficult to find even in Argentina. i saw one for 50 dollars a couple of years ago. don´t know how many copies were made of that. but they were made by a record label "DG Discos" that broke shortly after. it was released by the same date as Technique, on 1989. i bought one a copy the same day i bought Technique. the record company was dead by 1990. so did most of the vinyl productions in Argentina.

The testpress I have doesn`t have writing on the front of the sleeve apart from DG234 in 2mm high black type in a white box with black surround located in the top R.H corner. The back of the sleeve has New Order Technique and titles in english with the other info in spanish. The vinyl has a white lable and has DG 234 and DG 234-B on the run off notation.

Another Argentinian copy I have, which isnt listed in any New Order discography that Ive seen, is the Technique Promo on London/Polygram Catalogue No. 520 011-1 release date 1992. It has New Order Technique on the front of the sleeve and the titles in spanish and english on the reverse. The vinyl has a black lable with difusion venta prohibida stamped on the lable. Does anyone else have one of these?

Ok, it's not July yet, but I don't think anyone will mind... Checking my personal collection and the info posted here and elsewhere, this is what I can deduct regarding the AR Technique:

Vinyl:

• Testpress, white labels with DG 234 A/B written on them. 10 made. The sleeve used is the "clean" sleeve with "DG 234" in upper right corner. Groove notation "DG234A" and "DG234B"
• Regular release, red labels, groove notation as the testpress
• Promotional (London) release 1992 (cat# 520011-1 and LADO 2), black labels, tracks listed in spanish and english. Groove notation? Sleeve?

Sleeve:

• Withdrawn sleeve, like the UK one but with "DG 234" in a black box in upper right corner. Used for testpress and initial copies of the regular release.
• Regular sleeve, as the withdrawn sleeve but with additional text in black print to the upper right: "Neworder" and "Technique" just below. Used for the regular release
• Promo sleeve, as the UK one but with "Neworder Technique" to the upper right. "Neworder" in white and "Technique" in turquoise. "PolyGram" down in the left corner. Used for the 1992 promo (London) issue.

So, if anyone have the promo issue for trade, let me know...

The Discography, http://www.niagara.edu/neworder, will reflect this in the next update.

/TLV

Good work TLV, I`m looking forward to perusing the updated Discography. I know where you can obtain the London Promo.. bit steep though $67.

Originally posted by Murv 1. UK 1983 Fac 73/7 Blue Monday 7" promo, fact or fiction ?? copies2. NZ 1983 12": (EMI/GAP GOOD 10)Blue Monday unreleased red vinyl only 1 or 2 copies3. UK 1992 CS(Factory FACT 300)Republic [pre-mix listening cassette] About 5 of these were made as official Factory pre-mix listening cassettes with 'FACT 300' on them. They contained mostly instrumental versions of the songs that ended up on the proper release of 'Republic' on London.4.UK 1982 7"(Factory/Mute FAC 63b/Mute 22b) Hurt/ Oberkorn [by Depeche Mode]Testpress mispress, only 8 made.5. AR 1989 LP (DG 234) Argentinan testpress of Technique with withdrawn cover was apparently made in 10 copies6.UK 1994 True faith 12"WLP (London Records 90 Ltd NUXXDJ6) The first 15 pressings containing two True Faith remixes. True Faith-94 (eschreamer mix) True Faith-94 (eschreamer dub)7.JP 1984 7" Blue Monday (Factory/Nippon Columbia TD-1098) [promo]4:09 Blue Monday 4:09 Confusion 25 copies 8. UK 1987 LP: BBC Transcription Services CN5049/S)Live at the Glastonbury Festival 1987. UK 1993 CD: BBC Transcription Services TCD0624)Live at the Reading Festival 1993. The Transcription discs are very high quality live recordings that BBC only sells to other radio stations. A very limited number is made. 20 possibly up to 50 9.PL 1988 7" Blue Monday (Tonpress DS-25-A) [promo] 5:05 Blue Monday Unique purple-ish sleeve. The promo was made in 60 copies.10.JP 1993 CD: Joy Division New Order Collection (Polydor K.K. DCI-3098) [promo] 100 copies11. JP 1985 LP: 1981-1985(Factory/Columbia TD-3072) [promo] Used to promote the tour in Japan. Only 200 exist. 12.GE 1983 LP:POWER, CORRUPTION AND LIES (Factory/Rough Trade RTD11A)[marble vinyl] [testpressing, 250 made]c/w Rough Trade promo sheet 13.US 1983 12":Confusion (Streetwise SWRL 2213) played at the Garage on July 7, 1983.Has red testpress stamp or handwritten on a white lable. A New Music Seminar Special Edition.8:04 Confusion Rough Mix 8:04 Confusion Rough Mix. Approximately 400 were made.14. UK 1989 7":Run 2 (Factory FAC 273-7) [promo] 3:35 Run 2 3:43 MTO Only 500 pressed as Radio/DJ promo15.UK 1987 LP:Substance 2x (Factory FACT 200S) [gatefold sleeve] numbered limited edition of 100016.JP 1993 CD:Republic (Polydor K.K. POCD-1110)Limited edition, includes lyrics and extra tracks, 1500 copies=17.UK 1987 CS:Substance (Factory FACT 200C) [white linen box with inserts ltd.ed. 2000]=17. CA 1986 7": Bizarre Love Triangle PolyGram [FAC 26) [gatefold sleeve] ltd.ed. 2000=17. FR 2001 CD:Get Ready WEA/London 8573 89621-2) limited edition of 2000 in combination with comic type booklet [in French] entitled "old kids return" and T-shirt20.UK 1982 7": (Factory FAC 51b) [flexi] Limited edition of 4400 given away at the Hacienda Christmas Eve 1982.the next 3021.UK 1989 12":Run 2 UK 1989 (Factory FAC 273) [ltd. ed. 20000]Murv Isn`t there a rare box set for the release of Republic?

The last 20 or so LIVE BOOTLEGS must be rare and are what most of us would like for Christmas.

Probably have to do with watching Chevy Chases Christmas Vacation again though, it is funny though, those crazy Americans, always a happy ending except in the countries they Bomb.

Originally posted by Murv Isn`t there a rare box set for the release of Republic?

Yes. Two.

"Two different promotional UK box-sets exist. One box-set contains the LP, CS, signed CD and signed photo. 75 copies were made. The other version came in a plastic bag with the addition of a Regret promo video and T-shirt. 20 copies were made of this set." (as featured in the upcoming New Order Discography update.)

/TLV

you ALL forgot the someone like you 6 track uk cdr promo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! surely thats in the top 20!, i have only seen 2 copies and i own 1 of them! (pictures on request!)

Originally posted by nuts you ALL forgot the someone like you 6 track uk cdr promo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!surely thats in the top 20!, i have only seen 2 copies and i own 1 of them!(pictures on request!)

I actually own a copy of this my self....a BROKEN copy...the CD got cracked during shipment and plays only some of the songs...

However...someone (Nuts) was kind enough to make me a copy ...so at least I have a playable copy :D

Originally posted by nuts you ALL forgot the someone like you 6 track uk cdr promo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!surely thats in the top 20!, i have only seen 2 copies and i own 1 of them!(pictures on request!)

A scan and tracklisting would be super. ;)

/TLV

Like many fans and collectors, the passion fades after a while, and one realizes that there's more to life than New Order, testpresses, and the Internet.../T.

Delurking for my quarterly NOOL posting ...

T... You've hit a chord with me.

Hats off to you for stating what periodically keeps me from updating the Fac discog (which actually p!sses some people off), and handing Rich Kernin's and my New Order baby over to your good self and Rich to maintain and 'seed' other sites: A Life - in this case wife, son, real job, record label (I took my obsessions to their logical conclusion - see www.trans.com.au)...

I wouldn't say the passion fades - how can it when the Order keep on delivering the goods... rather the priorities change. I also think there are various grades of collector... On a scale of :D to I'd probably rate a .

Now... off to track down the sniping f@@ker that decided to bid US$810 for a copy of the Sordide pressing of Atmosphere on Ebay last week. It would have gone to a good home...

Bit of history for you - the earliest incarnations of the New Order discog (pre WWW, emailed to Ceremony and Usenet only) were drawn from our own heads, collections and research but also from early press - not least of which was an excellent article on New Order rarities in Record Collector magazine circa 1991/2 (I think) - and access to (in my case) Factory Australia.

The Factory Discog also started as a correction of the Palatine list, and then expansion to include track information, etc. This one has been great fun and has evolved through lots of contribution from the Fac listers, and numerous ex-Factory artists and co-conspirators who chime in from time to time. I have to say though that I'm more interested in the in-operation Factory / Fac Too information than the stuff that's happened since their collapse(s). Many have asked why I've never bothered asking for a Fac #. Not sure really, but it might have something to do with maintaining a certain perspective and distance (Australia is about as far from Manchester as you can get), and focussing on appreciation of the music and design rather than any pretence of being 'part' of something that has definitely had its time and place.

When I finish my book on the subject I may change my tune however...

G'day to Johnny Giles & the gang.

Best Dennis R

A cd-r isnt really a promo is it? they come in a plastic slip case with a card sleeve. anyone could duplicate that,the "Someone Like You" thing was knocking about on eBay this year-buy it now £10,the guy mustve sold loads cos it was on for weeks. got one myself-cant put my hand on it right now,but its the one with stupid mixes like "Without Guitar Mix".

Originally posted by SteveOne A cd-r isnt really a promo is it? they come in a plastic slip case with a card sleeve. anyone could duplicate that,the "Someone Like You" thing was knocking about on eBay this year-buy it now £10,the guy mustve sold loads cos it was on for weeks. got one myself-cant put my hand on it right now,but its the one with stupid mixes like "Without Guitar Mix".

someone like you 1.futureshox vox remix 2.funk d'void remix (without guitar & vocals) 3.gabriel & dresden 911 vocal mix 4.futureshock strip down 5.funk d'void remix (no guitar solo & less) 6.gabriel & dresden voco-tech dub

This the one stevey boy? i've had my copy for about 2 years now.

Would be nice to find out if it is a boot, i always thought it to be legit, looks exactly the same as all the other london cdr promos i have.

will send a scan to tlv,if this man dont know then no one does!

regards

Hey Dennis,

Good to hear from you. Yes, "changing priorities" is probably what I was going for in my posting.

Originally posted by Dennis Remmer Bit of history for you - the earliest incarnations of the New Order discog (pre WWW, emailed to Ceremony and Usenet only) were drawn from our own heads, collections and research but also from early press - not least of which was an excellent article on New Order rarities in Record Collector magazine circa 1991/2 (I think) - and access to (in my case) Factory Australia.

So it wasn't the Goldmine article that fernando wrote around that time frame (or did he write it for Record Collector? my memory fades...)?

BTW: Version 1.0 (ASCII) of the New Order Discography, as posted on Ceremony, can be found in the credits section of the Discography. I put it there as a historical document... ;)

/TLV