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spud wrote: Don't get me started on Hard-Fi...I am not a fan
i mean better than most it seems they suffer a new strain of big timeitus, first single is great, the rest is mediocre, it seems the automatic might suffer the same fate, i was championing monster long before it came out then heard the album! more reason to the class of bloc party! just hope they dont suffer the fate of keane, again a great first single but under the iron sea has a lot to answer for!
I think the whole Seattle movement was important to music today (at least American Music). As for Nirvana, I think they deserve alot of credit, but not as much as everyone gives them. Nevermind is the #1 album of alltime on so many lists. . .What I think is ridiculous is how, just before KC offed himself, In Utero had come out and the public didn't really care for it that much. Once he killed himself, then everyone was buying his albums.
As for Pearl Jam, I think they are more important then they get credit for. Someone earlier mentioned how their album sales dropped off. . .it wasn't due to loss of popularity. They simply didn't tour and promote as much because they were in a personal fight with ticketmaster in Congress (which I give them alot of credit for, as they were doing it unselfishly for their fans, so they could charge LESS for their concerts and Ticketmaster wouldn't allow it). They fronted the attack on Ticketmaster, and while they were busy doing that, others stole their sound, and flooded the airwaves with pearl-esque sounds. By the time they returned to the radio, their sound was old, because of all the other bands copying them. I listened to Yeild, which I can say has to be their second best album, and is brillant, but I can't listen to it since the sound has been played out by so many other bands.
Some of the others that are mentioned are because they sound run of the mill today, but many of these bands changed the course of music for the time period they came from. Joy Division is a perfect example. Give their cd to a normal kid today and I guarentee that they won't understand what the fuss is about. Does that mean JD is overrated? Hell no, as they made quite an impact on the music.
Te question isn't whether we like the music or not, but how much did it change music today, and are they getting the due accolades for it?
With that I would say Neil Diamond, The Bravery, AC/DC, Guns n' Roses, Journey are a few.
OK I'll get off the soap box now.
JHC
Shellshocker wrote:
J.A.K wrote: OASIS and BLURT
fuck the mid 90's was bad.
Oasis! Good call there!
The first two Oasis albums are pretty solid, decent affairs even if they did descend into cod-Beatles after that imo.
Overrated:
Monaco Stone Roses Coldplay Kiss Nirvana & Pearl Jam Arctic Monkeys Franz Ferdinand
ad infinitum (or should that be nauseum?)
thedude wrote:
spud wrote: Don't get me started on Hard-Fi...I am not a fan
i mean better than most it seems they suffer a new strain of big timeitus, first single is great, the rest is mediocre, it seems the automatic might suffer the same fate, i was championing monster long before it came out then heard the album! more reason to the class of bloc party! just hope they dont suffer the fate of keane, again a great first single but under the iron sea has a lot to answer for!
It would seem New Order are the ony decent band you seem to like! imho
I think it's far too easy to slag on bands you hate as being "overrated" simply because they recycle previously great innovations from a pioneering forefather whose early demise ensured his own legacy would be forgotten so long as those that came after him watered down the essential grit and turned it into easy-listening claptrap that everyone in America bought into.
But enough about the Eagles ripping off Gram Parsons 
Let's be brave and list those overrated bands that you happen to like...and let's be fair, every band or artist that attains a certain amount of popularity starts to believe their own press, so it's no disrespect to hold their feet to the fire. Might help cleanse the collective memory of rock. So my candidates:
The Beatles - for Sgt. Pepper, the fact that "everyone loves them" but can barely name more than ten songs (and none of the obscure album tracks), the fact that every band that has followed has had "-mania!" attached by some overzealous journalist looking to score cred points, and the bizarre solo careers (Macca, you magnificent bastard!)
The Clash - For trying to continue after Mick Jones' forced exit, turning the freedom that punk initially offered into a certain three-chord style that other bands imitate ad nauseum on college-rock stations today (nevermind the fact that they embraced black soul and reggae, nobody thinks of that side anymore when they think of "punk" and the Clash have some blame in that).
REM - For their major-label work (not quite as invigorating as the IRS Records material), for being the poster-boys of alternative long after they were embraced by the mainstream, for the "Shiny Happy People" mess.
The Doors - For riding Jim Morrison's corpse into a misbegotten legacy that could see the former singer of the Cult try to fill the Lizard King's pants, for the mythology surrounding what was basically a second-rate poet and first-rate drunk, and for "Light My Fire" being used at some point in every single movie ever set in the 1960s, about the 1960s, or with any bearing whatsoever to the 1960s.
Belle and Sebastian - For their "fey" early recordings, which diehards cling to in the wake of their inspired turn towards mainstream pop (get over it, it's all about artistic growth).
Sex Pistols - For putting out one album before imploding, building up Sid Vicious into an idol when he was basically a hanger-on that got lucky.
The Kinks - For everything that came between Lola and Come Dancing (a bit harsh, but needed saying)
Gram Parsons - for the aforementioned cliched early death, turning to hardcore country in his solo career after blending rock and country in his work with the International Submarine Band and the Byrds, and for being basically someone that only music snobs know of :D
Eric Clapton - For going from a brilliant sideman with various groups (the Yardbirds, Cream, Bluesbreakers, Derek and the Dominoes) to an uninspring and AOR-friendly solo career 
68Pontiac wrote:
As for Pearl Jam, I think they are more important then they get credit for. Someone earlier mentioned how their album sales dropped off. . .it wasn't due to loss of popularity. They simply didn't tour and promote as much because they were in a personal fight with ticketmaster in Congress (which I give them alot of credit for, as they were doing it unselfishly for their fans, so they could charge LESS for their concerts and Ticketmaster wouldn't allow it). They fronted the attack on Ticketmaster, and while they were busy doing that, others stole their sound, and flooded the airwaves with pearl-esque sounds. By the time they returned to the radio, their sound was old, because of all the other bands copying them. I listened to Yeild, which I can say has to be their second best album, and is brillant, but I can't listen to it since the sound has been played out by so many other bands.
JHC
[orange]Retroesque[/orange] wrote: Oasis, Coldplay, Artic Monkeys, Foo Fighters and The Streets.
Oasis - maybe a little bit, but i do really like them.
COLDPLAY - UTTER WANK.
ARCTIC MONKEYS - LIKEWISE. OVER RATED, OVER HYPED BOLLOCKS.
foo fighters- definitely not overrated 
THE STREETS - C R A P
68Pontiac wrote: I think the whole Seattle movement was important to music today (at least American Music). As for Nirvana, I think they deserve alot of credit, but not as much as everyone gives them. Nevermind is the #1 album of alltime on so many lists. . .What I think is ridiculous is how, just before KC offed himself, In Utero had come out and the public didn't really care for it that much. Once he killed himself, then everyone was buying his albums.
err nevermind was a huge worldwide hit album not long after it was released, there were thousands of kids mourning his death & huge coverage of it. you could easily apply your argument which conveniently overlooks how popular they were at the time he died & leading up to it to joy division a lot more succesfully.
68pontiacetc wrote:
As for Pearl Jam, I think they are more important then they get credit for. Someone earlier mentioned how their album sales dropped off. . .it wasn't due to loss of popularity. blah blah blah
right, so they were just as popular but nobody bought the albums. how can you say they were just as popular then? what are you measuring that with? surely the best yardstick of popularity of any artist is sales.
68pontiac wrote:
Te question isn't whether we like the music or not, but how much did it change music today, and are they getting the due accolades for it?
the question is actually
"who is the most overrated band of all time". it's in the thread header if you're not sure.
so it's not whether we like it, that doesn't come into it.
Good call for those who mentioned The Streets. 
I forgot all about them - they are just awful.
I never got what the point of that load of unmusical wank was. It's just crap shopping mall music for chavs..... 
Any emo or teen idol band. They think they are sooo elite because girls are screaming and that they sold tons of records. This kind of popularity sucks. The girls don't know what GOOD MUSIC is... unfortunately.
Dam That River wrote:
68Pontiac wrote:
As for Pearl Jam, I think they are more important then they get credit for. Someone earlier mentioned how their album sales dropped off. . .it wasn't due to loss of popularity. They simply didn't tour and promote as much because they were in a personal fight with ticketmaster in Congress (which I give them alot of credit for, as they were doing it unselfishly for their fans, so they could charge LESS for their concerts and Ticketmaster wouldn't allow it). They fronted the attack on Ticketmaster, and while they were busy doing that, others stole their sound, and flooded the airwaves with pearl-esque sounds. By the time they returned to the radio, their sound was old, because of all the other bands copying them. I listened to Yeild, which I can say has to be their second best album, and is brillant, but I can't listen to it since the sound has been played out by so many other bands.
JHC
Thought you'd like my post. I'm listening to the PJ live concert in San Diego on the radio right now.
JHC
[magenta]shedmonite61[/magenta] wrote: Any emo or teen idol band. They think they are sooo elite because girls are screaming and that they sold tons of records.
and this doesn't sound elitist?
NOOLigan, the more "elite" a band sounds, the more "overrated" they are. I'm not being a snob. I'm honing on my musical tastes from my rock class.
[magenta]shedmonite61[/magenta] wrote: NOOLigan, the more "elite" a band sounds, the more "overrated" they are. I'm not being a snob. I'm honing on my musical tastes from my rock class.
just how do you define an elite sound?
I meant "elite" as sarcasm. Teen and emo bands are so easy to make money. Not to mention that they sound corny with the musical arrangement and the lyrics. A teen girl will buy records instantly, then later she will say "I didn't know any better." Teen brains are so impressionable. A true elite sound (no sarcasm) breaks boundaries as I have discovered in my rock class. Didn't think Beatles were that great until I listened to samples from Revolver, White Album, and Sgt. Pepper. How about the Grateful Dead and Pink Floyd. They're also ace. The teen market does not know how to be innovative. They just add fluff to everything that you know that's not how life works. Rock is reality, NOOLigan.
So, in other words, an elite sound should be something deep and profound. It's just that teen bands think that they are so great. Not to mention they experience easy profit from record sales. Popularity in this genre is cheap, I tell you.
[magenta]shedmonite61[/magenta] wrote: I meant "elite" as sarcasm. Teen and emo bands are so easy to make money. Not to mention that they sound corny with the musical arrangement and the lyrics. A teen girl will buy records instantly, then later she will say "I didn't know any better." Teen brains are so impressionable. A true elite sound (no sarcasm) breaks boundaries as I have discovered in my rock class. Didn't think Beatles were that great until I listened to samples from Revolver, White Album, and Sgt. Pepper. How about the Grateful Dead and Pink Floyd. They're also ace. The teen market does not know how to be innovative. They just add fluff to everything that you know that's not how life works. Rock is reality, NOOLigan.
So, in other words, an elite sound should be something deep and profound. It's just that teen bands think that they are so great. Not to mention they experience easy profit from record sales. Popularity in this genre is cheap, I tell you.
i used to feel very elitist in liking new order
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