Their Biggest Mistake

What is it with the Movement knockers? I would prefer to listen to all those songs performed live over any of the songs from the last three albums except Regret, Crystal and WFTSC song. Yeah, it was miserable, but I love miserable! Those songs are so intense.

Peter Winfield wrote: What is it with the Movement knockers? I would prefer to listen to all those songs performed live over any of the songs from the last three albums except Regret, Crystal and WFTSC song. Yeah, it was miserable, but I love miserable! Those songs are so intense.

Quite agree my good man. How can Movement be the biggest mistake? It's their first album - without it they wouldn't have been able to progress. It's also a very good, although much maligned, album (and probably not to be played if your 'dying in a lonely place').

for posting on here under different names :D

Huh?

Seems to have been a lot of discussion about NO and drug use on this thread.

OK, drugs can help make great music.

However, sustained or heavy use comes at a price to your physical and/or mental health (i've found that one out the hard way).

Drugs DO make you fell great and you can have some of the best times of your life whilst off yer face, but at some point, the positives will turn to BIG negatives.

Hopefully the guys in NO can carry on knocking out some decent tunes whilst being (reasonably) clean.

I always thought the Just Say No thing was the dorkiest thing imaginable - but in retrospect I would happily give up the drug fuelled good times in favour of a clean life.

Their careers have been a collection of mistakes really. Some happy mistakes, some not. Guess that'll be the old punk ethic coming through.

I don't much care for picking a single worst mistake and prefer to be grateful for all of them.

biggest mistake: putting "Guilt Is A Useless Emotion" on WFTSC!

Myth Marco wrote: biggest mistake: putting "Guilt Is A Useless Emotion" on WFTSC!

Yes, that should have been with the rest of the classics on Technique...

Still they could always release it as a single!

OTHER

It was a Tony Wilson error. Not releasing Vanishing Point as a Single then Round&Round didn’t hit the top 20 and Run later that year also. WIM is not a mistake is their first and only UK number 1. I’m a JD fan and for me back in 1990 it was almost the last straw, but today it’s the most beautiful football anthem ever made.

ze t wrote: OTHER

It was a Tony Wilson error. Not releasing Vanishing Point as a Single then Round&Round didn’t hit the top 20 and Run later that year also. WIM is not a mistake is their first and only UK number 1. I’m a JD fan and for me back in 1990 it was almost the last straw, but today it’s the most beautiful football anthem ever made.

Agree again. I remember choking on my cornflakes when I heard NO were doing the traditional nafforama that is the UK world cup anthem.

Was just as shocked when it turned out to be a great song and even more shocked when, after all their years of being counter-culture, it went to number one!

And now... it's the only footie / world cup anthem I can listen to without feeling a vague wave of nausea.

Wasim wrote: Nazi Imagery wasnt something the band did, rather a myth perpetuated by the media that after a while the band gave up trying to dismiss. Movement is in many ways a great album and certainly a necessary one. Abandoning the JD direction? Its called progression. Doing side projects - if thats what they felt like doing at the time good luck to em. Put out some decent songs between em as well. Signing to London - what were they supposed to do? Reforming - ehh? New Order Lite is better than none at all.

Mistakes are there to be made. Too late to think through their career but I wish they had properly recorded the Lets go demo version. The obvious one is what they don't do rather than what they do do - as in varying the setlist.

"Waiting for so long, yeah Ive been waiting for a chance to see ya". Is that the Lets Go demo? If so, then Im in total agreement. Would have been a brilliant song.

Other: Bernard dancing

symphonie wrote:

Spotnick wrote: Other.. being the Hacienda and letting Tony Wilson run the business.

Without the fall of Factory and money problems due to the Hacienda, maybe they wouldn't have parted in 1990 to go do side projects while they were at their peak. quote]

agree. bleeding money like they did must've been maddening, esp when NO created the music that helped create customer base that the HAC was servicing and it wasn't paying dividends.

Thirded

Hannett of the Apes wrote: The single choices for Technique were The Only Mistake.

Yes, that's why the B-side of Run is called MTO: "Mistake, The Only".

Spotnick wrote: Other.. being the Hacienda and letting Tony Wilson run the business.

Without the fall of Factory and money problems due to the Hacienda, maybe they wouldn't have parted in 1990 to go do side projects while they were at their peak.

Aggree.

Boatraceface wrote: pissed all over previous world cup songs...

And another thing - Hooky would have had a hard time getting involved in a Man U supporters tune in Gretton's day!

i choose other wilson and gretton not being sacked gillian wasnt a mistake but a needed change due to illness,be nice to see her pop back though. cant even say the drugs was a mistake per say as some of the best music ever was influenced chemically.

Another -heh- 'mistake'; if Phil C was adopted as member why not Dawn Zee as well (oh boy - I can see some serious incoming from the Jarvo now...).

Side point; If Phil is a member now, why is he never with them on the interview couch? I think i've heard precisely nowt fall from his gob ever (as a NO member)!

biggest mistake: quitting drugs.

Although I think Phil brings a new sound to the band I wish Gillian would return.

bLuE oRdEr wrote: Drug abuse has been the biggest mistake of every band that's ever used 'em.

Nicely put, Blue; good on ya, mate. Why do they do it? It's something I've never really understood. Also, to the people here who say drugs aren't such a bad thing: I can only assume that you've never seen what they can do to people. See how the following grab you:

1. Paranoia;
2. stumbling round the house giggling;
3. disappearing up your own ass and not wanting to talk to your mates.

Yes, I have seen all of these happen to people and in every case, it was pot that did it. And no, I hadn't heard of the last one either until I saw it happen to someone I know.

Also, there was a story on TV the other day that was the best case I've ever heard for not taking E. A girl took one ten years ago - she'd never taken any before or since - and ever since then she's had a compulsion that makes her ring 999 several times a day every day because she thinks she's dying.

Still think there's nothing wrong with drugs? I don't.

Hannett of the Apes wrote: The single choices for Technique were The Only Mistake.

Indeed. That's why the B side of Run2 is called MTO: Mistake, The Only. :D

In the early new order years they were on a lot of acid, and ecstacy runs through Technique. In fact they are probably one of the few groups I can think of where drugs help! The other probably being the beatles.

Releasing Bizarre Love Triangle after Brotherhood.It would have gone top 10 if it had been the precurssor.Instead they released State Of The Nation .

But hey, what do chart positions count?

Spotnick wrote: Other.. being the Hacienda and letting Tony Wilson run the business.

Without the fall of Factory and money problems due to the Hacienda, maybe they wouldn't have parted in 1990 to go do side projects while they were at their peak.

I fully agree with you. This Haçienda/Wilson thing probably was (and will hopefuly remain) thei biggest mistake.

Yet, I don't like the idea of Phil Cunnilingus being part of the band. He's OK as an extra musician, but I don't like him being involved in the writing of the songs.

In all seriousness, their only real "mistake" is not seeing the signs of Ian's depression and how bad it really was. They admit that in interviews, they always say they were young and didn't pick up on it until it was really too late. But that's more on Ian and whatever his reasons were for topping himself than the band.

That, and "Shellshock" :barf:

craigy wrote: Another -heh- 'mistake'; if Phil C was adopted as member why not Dawn Zee as well (oh boy - I can see some serious incoming from the Jarvo now...).

Side point; If Phil is a member now, why is he never with them on the interview couch? I think i've heard precisely nowt fall from his gob ever (as a NO member)!

He and Bernard were interviewed on the Wireless highlights programme on Channel 4 a few weeks back.First time i think he`s been included?.Only actually said a couple of words mind.

Other : too many stinky remixes