Their Biggest Mistake

Alcohol tends to ruin any chances of any interesting conversation – but at a slow rate. My average night out with drinking friends: 8-10 Normal conversation. 10-11 Slightly rowdy. 11-Midnight Sometimes very interesting conversation as peoples guard is down, and they are very honest. 12 – 2 they shout around the dance floor to absolutely anything, and I’m generally on my way somewhere else- or home.

With Cocaine, people tend to disappear up themselves very early on, and are a lost cause with regard to decent conversation. Theres also the fact that in clubs, it leads to a nasty atmosphere.

Ecstasy is ok: so long as the music is loud enough to drown out those who like to talk on and on and on and on while on it.

What is the legal situation with Mushrooms?

Clockwork C wrote: What is the legal situation with Mushrooms?

Dunno if this can help a bit http://www.thesite.org/drinkanddrugs/drugsafety/thelaw/magicmushroomsandthelaw

Al Jarvis wrote:

Clockwork C wrote: With Cocaine, people tend to disappear up themselves very early on, and are a lost cause with regard to decent conversation. Theres also the fact that in clubs, it leads to a nasty atmosphere.

What is the legal situation with Mushrooms?

You'll be glad you weren't in the Audley then, CC! Lot of powder doing the rounds that day!

You mean I missed it again?

Got to be all the synthetics & nose candy I'm afraid. Which is a shame for such a talented lot.

:bag:

1 "Not keeping an eye on our lead singer" Peter Hook on Later, summer 2005.

2. Staying with Factory

3. Sometimes taking the fans contimued interest for granted.

4. Retro - a mish mash of what should have been a fitting tribute to the band that Recycle was going to be.

5. Set lists becoming highly predictable

oldmonkey wrote:

Al Jarvis wrote:

Clockwork C wrote: With Cocaine, people tend to disappear up themselves very early on, and are a lost cause with regard to decent conversation. Theres also the fact that in clubs, it leads to a nasty atmosphere.

What is the legal situation with Mushrooms?

You'll be glad you weren't in the Audley then, CC! Lot of powder doing the rounds that day!

You mean I missed it again?

Tim, given the shit-eating grin you were wearing all day, I'm not sure there's much you didn't miss.;) :D

in my opinion, drugs are what helped new order... i mean i dont take drugs, but it did help them "concentrate" if u know what i mean... i voted for phil

I like gillian, but they didnt have any choice. Her kid was ill.

And medical care is way expensive for that stuff. Even though i doubt thats the case.

The biggest issue re drug use is the fact that it finances the criminal activities of the big drug cartels, of which the big boys never get caught while the drug mules etc are the ones that end up in jail for life. Not being judgmental, just pointing out something that not many people seem to discuss - it always comes down to what people on drugs get up to, which is a "minor" problem compared with the big scale crimes financed by the continuing use of drugs.

About drugs, it would be long, we've all seen what they do so it's a bit useless for me to remember to you. Just one thing: if you wanna get high, you must be prepared to come down.

I think you're totally unfair with Phil, he's the best addition (I said addition, not addiction :D ) the band could get. Great bloke, great guitarist.

The biggest mistake couldbe splitting up for four years. I know they needed some time off, but maybe they should have got back together in 1995 after The Rest Of, 1996 at most. That would have meant more continuity of their history. Anyway we must be happy of how things happened and Rob still managed to get them to reform before dying... and it's also true the break increased their legendary status because it created a huge expectation when they came back. Also, they've been away during the Britpop horrors. Uhm, some might say not releasing Turn as a single? :D

oldmonkey wrote: To me, the biggest mistake was allowing too many other people to have too much say in their money. Bands don't own bars and clubs, or at least shouldn't. I don't blame Wilson entirely, Rob Gretton didn't help them as much as some might say over this period.

was gonna say that too me old mucker!

Biggest mistake was falling old like little kids & not speaking for 4.5 yrs, thus meaning we had to wait 5 whole yrs between gigs No need

Chris Nash wrote:

And what's with the Phil bashing? he's a good guy, has helped New order's sound and I can think of a hell of alot of other musicians that would have been a worse choice. The other three obviously thought he'd fit in and SOMEBODY had to replace Gillian - they wouldn't have been able to cope as a threesome.

I say SUPPORT PHIL CUNNINGHAM!

I agree.

I personally have nothing against Phil...I just miss Gillians touch and her presence on stage...most bands have a female lead singer but since she wasn't, she was really part of the band from a chumlike aspect.

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eCKOh wrote: I personally have nothing against Phil...I just miss Gillians touch and her presence on stage...most bands have a female lead singer but since she wasn't, she was really part of the band from a chumlike aspect.

((((e))))

Somehow I never felt that the relationship between BS and Gillian was "chumlike."

Patrick wrote:

Somehow I never felt that the relationship between BS and Gillian was "chumlike."

Trick - What band you know doesn't have fights and drama??

eCKOh wrote:

Patrick wrote:

Somehow I never felt that the relationship between BS and Gillian was "chumlike."

Trick - What band you know doesn't have fights and drama??

I suspect you probably know more bands than I do, T.

But I kind of felt that BS and GG really hated each other.

Patrick wrote:

eCKOh wrote:

Patrick wrote:

Somehow I never felt that the relationship between BS and Gillian was "chumlike."

Trick - What band you know doesn't have fights and drama??

I suspect you probably know more bands than I do, T.

But I kind of felt that BS and GG really hated each other.

I don't know anyone not even NO...I just know of stories but if they hated each other so much why would they stay together for so long??...I look at bands as ppl just like the rest of us...dysfunctional.

((((e))))

Overall, I personally would like to see Gillian back...she gave the band a little flare that can't be Philed.

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getting corgan to do a song:headoff:

Patrick wrote: But I kind of felt that BS and GG really hated each other.

I don't know, maybe they've had difficult moments between them, and probably in the hardest times when the band was about to split and there was a lot of tension, Bernard felt a bit like threatened by the fact that Hooky was just one like him, but Steve and Gillian were a couple, implying that individually each one of them counted less than Hooky or him, but together they still weighed. And being Gillian the wife of the drummer, there was tension a bit like in a family relationship between you and your wife's mother. Also Gillian has alwyas been terribly shy and this made her look weak in the eyes of Bernard, who as any naughty boy would target the weakest one to get off his tension, but I think at this more like about a role she had more than a proper bad feeling... But I couldn't guess there was hate between them in the 80s, certainly not in 1998 when I met them reunited... they all looked like honestly happy together...

Let's see...

• Those identical Jamaican remixes of RIAD.
• Releasing Jetstream as the 2nd single instead of GIAUE.
• Money management.
• Not releasing Recycle!
• Not convincing Gillian to come back, even part-time.
• Not encouraging Johnny Marr to join.
• Not touring enough! (at least anymore)

(I was going to mention the lay-off from 93-01, but in fairness we got some real good side projects' albums and songs.)

Lots to choose from, but I still love 'em!

Miss Disco wrote: God, looks like I've opened a can of worms here! I'll answer people's points one at a time; you first, Al, seeing as I noticed your post first.

Al Jarvis wrote: MD, have you got religion or summat?!

Do you drink? And are you fully aware of the effects alcohol have on you? Stumbling around a room giggling isn't half of it!

No, I'm not religious at all, Al; disagreeing with certain things and being religious can be mutually exclusive, they don't necessarily have to go together. Yes, I do drink but I don't get drunk; I've never really done it that often because I always feel too guilty afterwards. Finally, you don't seem to have read my post properly: I didn't mention drink in there at all, I said it was pot that had that effect on the person I was talking about (who, for the record, will remain nameless).

Next:

Clockwork C wrote: Walking around giggling to yourself, and dissappearing into yourself is surely a desirable effect of taking drugs.

That has to be one of the stupidest statements I've ever read on NOOL. Personally, I like to talk to my friends on a night out. You can't do that if you're so out of it that you've entered your own ass.

Finally, on to Lee:

leeharveyoswald1963 wrote:

Drugs have been a major driving force for some of the genius behind music, and art since the beginning of time.

That may well be but it doesn't mean it's right to take them. BTW, it looks like I'm not alone in thinking this way:

Pascal CHAMPAVERT wrote: Drug abuse, undoubtedly the cause of beeing now unable to play live...

There, I've said my piece and given my opinions; now I'll let you lot carry on with the debate, wherever it might go.

*gets coat, leaves thread*

taking drugs in no more wrong than drinking alcohol. get with it sister. alcohol is the WORST DRUG!. don't judge others miss disco. live and let live. just avoid the drunks and junkies.

Andrew Sayer wrote: Biggest mistake was falling old like little kids & not speaking for 4.5 yrs, thus meaning we had to wait 5 whole yrs between gigs No need

Also allowing the great unwashed to forget about them.

I absolutely agree with you. Nothing is wrong with the presence of Phil in the band...Gillian could make a comeback...who know's..

new order...a five member band.... funny

I voted for going to London records.But i dont think that makes a toss ? All the shit with Tony and the Hacienda,Drug use,Nazi Image,Spliting up and making some fucking good songs while apart,Gillian not being in the band,And Mr Cunningham being there instead ???? Well with out all this they would not be the great extrodinary band that they are today. Soon as they spit up we all knew that they were going to get back together.It was just a matter of time.Just one regret though ?And it has be said before in this thread.They split up at there peak !!!And that really did hurt