Their Biggest Mistake

Slow pulse boy wrote: Other : too many stinky remixes

Yeah that's a good one, or replacing actual b-sides with them

NO Regret wrote:

Wasim wrote: Nazi Imagery wasnt something the band did, rather a myth perpetuated by the media that after a while the band gave up trying to dismiss. Movement is in many ways a great album and certainly a necessary one. Abandoning the JD direction? Its called progression. Doing side projects - if thats what they felt like doing at the time good luck to em. Put out some decent songs between em as well. Signing to London - what were they supposed to do? Reforming - ehh? New Order Lite is better than none at all.

Mistakes are there to be made. Too late to think through their career but I wish they had properly recorded the Lets go demo version. The obvious one is what they don't do rather than what they do do - as in varying the setlist.

"Waiting for so long, yeah Ive been waiting for a chance to see ya". Is that the Lets Go demo? If so, then Im in total agreement. Would have been a brilliant song.

Thats the one. Missed out there, could have been a classic.

OTHER Not providing RUBBER MARIGOLD GLOVES with MINTY MINT copies of TWELVE INCH RECORDS from MALCOLM'S MUSICLAND in CHORLEY. Makes my blood boil!

Biggest Mistake : Letting that stupid, talent sponge of a useless pillock Gillespie on Get Ready to fuck up an otherwise fine album with Rock The Shack. "Get it right get it right get it righ get it right......"Fuck off.

Also: Even I, a stupid teetotal cant understand some of the stuff being said about taking drugs on these boards. I really dont think people are getting the point. Walking around giggling to yourself, and dissappearing into yourself is surely a desirable effect of taking drugs. I will say that I think a lot of the shitness around republic probably came from their coke input. That drug never lends itslef to anything creative or introspective.

Maybe if Steven and Bernard and Peter and Gillian were good boys and girls, and never took acid, Temptation would sound a lot less excellent and a lot more sensable - like U2 maybe? Then we would all be happy

Woah: ive just passed 1000 posts. Sacry.

Drug abuse, undoubtedly the cause of beeing now unable to play live...

Al Jarvis wrote:

Pascal CHAMPAVERT wrote: Drug abuse, undoubtedly the cause of beeing now unable to play live...

Children! That's the real reason they don't play live anymore.

Should we kidnap their kids?!

Doesnt CHAMPERVERT mean by "unable to play live" that they cant play their instruments?.Not that they can`t schedule gigs because of their kids.

Al Jarvis wrote: Should we kidnap their kids?!

... and that was Michael Jackson's talk coming out of Al's mouth!

Both me and NEW ORDER made the same BIG mistake......

WORKING OVERTIME

Miss Disco wrote:

bLuE oRdEr wrote: Drug abuse has been the biggest mistake of every band that's ever used 'em.

Nicely put, Blue; good on ya, mate. Why do they do it? It's something I've never really understood. Also, to the people here who say drugs aren't such a bad thing: I can only assume that you've never seen what they can do to people. See how the following grab you:

1. Paranoia;
2. stumbling round the house giggling;
3. disappearing up your own ass and not wanting to talk to your mates.

Yes, I have seen all of these happen to people and in every case, it was pot that did it. And no, I hadn't heard of the last one either until I saw it happen to someone I know.

Also, there was a story on TV the other day that was the best case I've ever heard for not taking E. A girl took one ten years ago - she'd never taken any before or since - and ever since then she's had a compulsion that makes her ring 999 several times a day every day because she thinks she's dying.

Still think there's nothing wrong with drugs? I don't.

Im not here to promote drugs, but let's be honest about it. Drugs have been a major driving force for some of the genius behind music, and art since the beginning of time.

Drugs, like everything else in life, is best in moderation, and used in a responsible way. If it gets too hot, get out of the kitchen.

As for e, i dont recommend taking it, but in the near future in some countries, it may be used on people who suffer from post-trumatic stress. Their has been recent favorable tests given to women who have been raped, and returning soldiers, among others. Just like legal drugs, Most Illicit drugs have some positive side effects.

Miss Disco wrote: I'm going to pick two from that list: drug abuse (which I voted for) and replacing Gillian. I wish she could come back.

So that she can add to list of fook ups? i dont get all this phil bashing, at least he can actually play an instrument!

Actually, thats harsh. Oh well.

Biggest mistake? Hmmm. Cant be arsed to look at the list so... Well, Dawn Zee on live vox is quite annoying. Republic was a bit shit but i'll go along with Conor and say getting that git from Primal Scream on to butcher Get Ready.

Oh, and anything involving Miranda fuking sawyer.

God, looks like I've opened a can of worms here! I'll answer people's points one at a time; you first, Al, seeing as I noticed your post first.

Al Jarvis wrote: MD, have you got religion or summat?!

Do you drink? And are you fully aware of the effects alcohol have on you? Stumbling around a room giggling isn't half of it!

No, I'm not religious at all, Al; disagreeing with certain things and being religious can be mutually exclusive, they don't necessarily have to go together. Yes, I do drink but I don't get drunk; I've never really done it that often because I always feel too guilty afterwards. Finally, you don't seem to have read my post properly: I didn't mention drink in there at all, I said it was pot that had that effect on the person I was talking about (who, for the record, will remain nameless).

Next:

Clockwork C wrote: Walking around giggling to yourself, and dissappearing into yourself is surely a desirable effect of taking drugs.

That has to be one of the stupidest statements I've ever read on NOOL. Personally, I like to talk to my friends on a night out. You can't do that if you're so out of it that you've entered your own ass.

Finally, on to Lee:

leeharveyoswald1963 wrote:

Drugs have been a major driving force for some of the genius behind music, and art since the beginning of time.

That may well be but it doesn't mean it's right to take them. BTW, it looks like I'm not alone in thinking this way:

Pascal CHAMPAVERT wrote: Drug abuse, undoubtedly the cause of beeing now unable to play live...

There, I've said my piece and given my opinions; now I'll let you lot carry on with the debate, wherever it might go.

*gets coat, leaves thread*

"Everyone must get high." - Some guy

"i'm gonna live to get high"

yeah, its a shit song. but it was the man himself who said it.

i suppose taking E for treatment for post-trumatic stress for such cases as rape is not worth it.

Miss Disco took my quote out of context.

here's to the one hitter

Miss Disco wrote: God, looks like I've opened a can of worms here! I'll answer people's points one at a time; you first, Al, seeing as I noticed your post first.

Al Jarvis wrote: MD, have you got religion or summat?!

Do you drink? And are you fully aware of the effects alcohol have on you? Stumbling around a room giggling isn't half of it!

No, I'm not religious at all, Al; disagreeing with certain things and being religious can be mutually exclusive, they don't necessarily have to go together. Yes, I do drink but I don't get drunk; I've never really done it that often because I always feel too guilty afterwards. Finally, you don't seem to have read my post properly: I didn't mention drink in there at all, I said it was pot that had that effect on the person I was talking about (who, for the record, will remain nameless).

Next:

Clockwork C wrote: Walking around giggling to yourself, and dissappearing into yourself is surely a desirable effect of taking drugs.

That has to be one of the stupidest statements I've ever read on NOOL. Personally, I like to talk to my friends on a night out. You can't do that if you're so out of it that you've entered your own ass.

Finally, on to Lee:

leeharveyoswald1963 wrote:

Drugs have been a major driving force for some of the genius behind music, and art since the beginning of time.

That may well be but it doesn't mean it's right to take them. BTW, it looks like I'm not alone in thinking this way:

Pascal CHAMPAVERT wrote: Drug abuse, undoubtedly the cause of beeing now unable to play live...

There, I've said my piece and given my opinions; now I'll let you lot carry on with the debate, wherever it might go.

*gets coat, leaves thread*

Being a social liberal kind of chap on most things, i find it quite dispicable when people say its wrong to take drugs. If drugs have been a major creative force, and its hard to disagree, although there have been as many bad cocaine albums than good ones, but that doesnt mean its argument for and against the use of drugs. I personally, am not a drug taking person, but i have no qualms socialising with people who are.

Conor has hit the nail on the head (for once!). People take drugs for the feeling it gives them. Whether it be to chill (weed) or go crazy (cocaine) not for any bad reason. Just because the government or school teachers say its bad doesnt mean it is. Sure, some nasty people are involved, but the majority of drug users (with the exception of addicts or smackheads etc) arent causing anyone any harm, so why does that make it wrong.

As for going out. I absolutely love getting absolutely slaughtered on a night out, plenty on people on this website can provide testament to that! but, being a reasonably intelligent person, i have the unique ability to drink and talk at the same time. Some of the best conversation i have is when i'm pissed. Like the time at glasto i talked to that idiot coldplay fan about how shit his little flag was and funnily enough, i never feel guilty about it afterwards. Unless i've really offended someone, which as people who have met me will agree with, i am beyond that.

Miss Disco wrote:

Also, there was a story on TV the other day that was the best case I've ever heard for not taking E. A girl took one ten years ago - she'd never taken any before or since - and ever since then she's had a compulsion that makes her ring 999 several times a day every day because she thinks she's dying.

Still think there's nothing wrong with drugs? I don't.

What a daft argument. Someone (I'd be prepared to bet someone with a propensity for mental illness) takes a funny turn after an E, so all Ecstacy use is wrong. The argument about long-term effects of drug use is a complex one, but it's not at all relevant to draw too many conclusions from an isolated incident. I knew someone who was killed by a vacuum cleaner, but I still use one regularly. And I drive a car - how many people have been killed by cars?

Of course there are things wrong with drugs. There is, however, a clear distinction between drug USE and drug MISUSE, and most well-informed people realise that.

Jesus!

Big has just said something sensible.

Uncle Liam wrote: Jesus!

Big has just said something sensible.

It is wrong to use the lord's name in vain.

leeharveyoswald1963 wrote:

Uncle Liam wrote: Jesus!

Big has just said something sensible.

It is wrong to use the lord's name in vain.

LOL!

If Liam comes To edit his post I won't let go I won't let go

Where's my melodica?

IF JESUS COMES TO BAN YOU ALL, I WON'T LET GO!!!! :D

NObabe wrote: IF JESUS COMES TO BAN YOU ALL, I WON'T LET GO!!!! :D

A NOOL CLASSIC!!!

no fair!! Maya out did me!!

Ok. Drugs (legal and illegal) can make people more difficult to deal with socially - but that isn’t their only effect Miss Disco. If it was, I shouldn't think they'd be so popular - would you?

As a non drink - drug taker, I present my list of substances that I prefair people around me to be on in descending order from least troublesome to biggest pain in the ass:

1. Ecstasy
2. “Pot” as its termed
3. Mushrooms (also: are these legal or not?)
4. Speed
5. Alcohol
6. Acid
7. Cocaine

Feel free to edit it and post your own.

leeharveyoswald1963 wrote:

Miss Disco wrote:

bLuE oRdEr wrote: Drug abuse has been the biggest mistake of every band that's ever used 'em.

Nicely put, Blue; good on ya, mate. Why do they do it? It's something I've never really understood. Also, to the people here who say drugs aren't such a bad thing: I can only assume that you've never seen what they can do to people. See how the following grab you:

1. Paranoia;
2. stumbling round the house giggling;
3. disappearing up your own ass and not wanting to talk to your mates.

Yes, I have seen all of these happen to people and in every case, it was pot that did it. And no, I hadn't heard of the last one either until I saw it happen to someone I know.

Also, there was a story on TV the other day that was the best case I've ever heard for not taking E. A girl took one ten years ago - she'd never taken any before or since - and ever since then she's had a compulsion that makes her ring 999 several times a day every day because she thinks she's dying.

Still think there's nothing wrong with drugs? I don't.

Im not here to promote drugs, but let's be honest about it. Drugs have been a major driving force for some of the genius behind music, and art since the beginning of time.

Drugs, like everything else in life, is best in moderation, and used in a responsible way. If it gets too hot, get out of the kitchen.

As for e, i dont recommend taking it, but in the near future in some countries, it may be used on people who suffer from post-trumatic stress. Their has been recent favorable tests given to women who have been raped, and returning soldiers, among others. Just like legal drugs, Most Illicit drugs have some positive side effects.

Artists and musicians think drugs are a "major driving force for some of the genius."

Why do musicians tap into drugs? Because they're young, and like all young people, they're experimenting. Only if you're a musician, you have people offering you drugs for free, and/or you have money to buy drugs. And you don't have to be at work or school at 8 A.M. like other young people, so there's no immediate downside to using drugs.

Sometimes they need drugs to keep going. The Beatles popped pills just to keep up with the grind of playing all those shows in Hamburg. And musicians self-medicate to deal with the boredom and anxiety of being on the road, and often to deal with mental health problems they had before they became musicians. Sometimes the self-medication just dulls them; sometimes it exacerbates their mental illnesses.

Finally, musicians use drugs as a way to tap into their creativity. Perhaps if they're feeling blocked it allows them to get past their conscious limitations and tap into the subconscious to get at what they're trying to express. Perhaps. But that doesn't last. A musician that needs an outside crutch to tap into the subconcious isn't likely to remain creative for long.

Drug Casulaties

Drug Deaths: Jimi Hendrix (age 27), Jim Morrison (age 27), Phil Lynott (age 36)

Alcohol poisoning deaths: Bon Scott (age 33), John Bonham (age 32)

Crippling addictions: Keith Richards, Eric Clapton

Mental illness: Syd Barrett, Roky Erickson, Skip Spence

Bands disrupted: Rolling Stones (Brian Jones), The Clash (Topper Headon), The Libertines (Pete Doherty)

And on and on and on....

More people die of allergic reactions to peanuts. Ban the peanut! Maybe this drug debate should move to 'behind closed doors'...

bLuE oRdEr wrote:

leeharveyoswald1963 wrote:

Miss Disco wrote:

bLuE oRdEr wrote: Drug abuse has been the biggest mistake of every band that's ever used 'em.

Nicely put, Blue; good on ya, mate. Why do they do it? It's something I've never really understood. Also, to the people here who say drugs aren't such a bad thing: I can only assume that you've never seen what they can do to people. See how the following grab you:

1. Paranoia;
2. stumbling round the house giggling;
3. disappearing up your own ass and not wanting to talk to your mates.

Yes, I have seen all of these happen to people and in every case, it was pot that did it. And no, I hadn't heard of the last one either until I saw it happen to someone I know.

Also, there was a story on TV the other day that was the best case I've ever heard for not taking E. A girl took one ten years ago - she'd never taken any before or since - and ever since then she's had a compulsion that makes her ring 999 several times a day every day because she thinks she's dying.

Still think there's nothing wrong with drugs? I don't.

Im not here to promote drugs, but let's be honest about it. Drugs have been a major driving force for some of the genius behind music, and art since the beginning of time.

Drugs, like everything else in life, is best in moderation, and used in a responsible way. If it gets too hot, get out of the kitchen.

As for e, i dont recommend taking it, but in the near future in some countries, it may be used on people who suffer from post-trumatic stress. Their has been recent favorable tests given to women who have been raped, and returning soldiers, among others. Just like legal drugs, Most Illicit drugs have some positive side effects.

Artists and musicians think drugs are a "major driving force for some of the genius."

Why do musicians tap into drugs? Because they're young, and like all young people, they're experimenting. Only if you're a musician, you have people offering you drugs for free, and/or you have money to buy drugs. And you don't have to be at work or school at 8 A.M. like other young people, so there's no immediate downside to using drugs.

Sometimes they need drugs to keep going. The Beatles popped pills just to keep up with the grind of playing all those shows in Hamburg. And musicians self-medicate to deal with the boredom and anxiety of being on the road, and often to deal with mental health problems they had before they became musicians. Sometimes the self-medication just dulls them; sometimes it exacerbates their mental illnesses.

Finally, musicians use drugs as a way to tap into their creativity. Perhaps if they're feeling blocked it allows them to get past their conscious limitations and tap into the subconscious to get at what they're trying to express. Perhaps. But that doesn't last. A musician that needs an outside crutch to tap into the subconcious isn't likely to remain creative for long.

Drug Casulaties

Drug Deaths: Jimi Hendrix (age 27), Jim Morrison (age 27), Phil Lynott (age 36)

Alcohol poisoning deaths: Bon Scott (age 33), John Bonham (age 32)

Crippling addictions: Keith Richards, Eric Clapton

Mental illness: Syd Barrett, Roky Erickson, Skip Spence

Bands disrupted: Rolling Stones (Brian Jones), The Clash (Topper Headon), The Libertines (Pete Doherty)

And on and on and on....

Complete Incomprehensibility: Shaun Ryder, Bernard Sumner