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Adam Tate wrote:

MorningNightandDay wrote: Chrisbaerchen has open his Boxset and he got the deluxe Edition with 0396/5000 and number with begins 51...

nobody knows now which are the right ones

ah ha ! Sorry didn't spot your post MorningNightandDay - so you are saying some of the Deluxe boxes have got a number starting 51 on the spine. Please lets have the full number on the spine and then I can sleep more easily !

no problem...he wrote he hass the same number like the standart set...i think he means this number 5186595937

i will ask him shortly,otherwise he will do pics and details by discogs on his same nick.

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Adam Tate wrote:

MorningNightandDay wrote: Chrisbaerchen has open his Boxset and he got the deluxe Edition with 0396/5000 and number with begins 51...

nobody knows now which are the right ones

ah ha ! Sorry didn't spot your post MorningNightandDay - so you are saying some of the Deluxe boxes have got a number starting 51 on the spine. Please lets have the full number on the spine and then I can sleep more easily !

My number on the spine is 5186595937, and thats the 'standard boxset'. :\ohwell:

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Ger Boy wrote:

My number on the spine is 5186595937, and thats the 'standard boxset'. :\ohwell:

which probably means that you cannot distinguish deluxe from standard without opening the box...

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OK I am going to open mine - thanks for the info folks.....

....the suspense is killing me

....big drum roll

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...damn no CDs

...and £75 down - Rhino are pathetic.

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This is also confirmation that what we effectively paid for is two cds of tracks that are already featured on the set plus a piece of Saville's art - bearing in mind you can get downloads off itunes for £12 that includes the "Colony" video and the standard set has a link for downloading all twenty songs.

Added to the distribution shenanigans - and the bull-filled Stephen Morris interview on itunes where he mentions about having the flexi nicked and "it's great to hear these tracks again after all these years" (hang on a minute didn't he get a copy of the H & S Box Set) this farce of a release is proving to be more than I can possibly bear.

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Adam Tate wrote: ...damn no CDs

...and £75 down - Rhino are pathetic.

the next one...sorry for yours.

I think same like RIAD.All Boxes must be opened.

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MorningNightandDay wrote:

Adam Tate wrote: ...damn no CDs

...and £75 down - Rhino are pathetic.

the next one...sorry for yours.

I think same like RIAD.All Boxes must be opened.

...indeed you have to open it up to find out. How much would a sticker with Deluxe written on it have cost them to put on?

Rhino are clearly a Mickey Mose Rinky Dink operation these days.

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leefact25 wrote: This is also confirmation that what we effectively paid for is two cds of tracks that are already featured on the set plus a piece of Saville's art

This art piece is the only thing that's worth anything. I actually quite like. The rest is pure crap. I think about burning the covers of those singles, they are a disgrace to the original artwork. I wish I'd never seen them.

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@ RIAD i will get your Box if you want...:D

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...yes and if they have got a deluxe set - what is the catalogue number printed on the spine? If the catalogue number is the same for the 2 versions - maybe some kind person can weigh their deluxe set including all inserts (so can tell which version mine is without breaking the seal).

good idea from adman over at JDcentral.

deluxe set weighs 833 gramms.

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Ruined in a day wrote:

...yes and if they have got a deluxe set - what is the catalogue number printed on the spine? If the catalogue number is the same for the 2 versions - maybe some kind person can weigh their deluxe set including all inserts (so can tell which version mine is without breaking the seal).

good idea from adman over at JDcentral.

deluxe set weighs 833 gramms.

...well if my scales are correct the Standard set weighs slightly less than 700 grams.

BTW I am Adman at JDCentral - the info is too late to help me but may help some one else.

IMPORTANT BEWARE NOTE - IF YOU ARE IN ANY DOUBT WEIGH YOUR BOX BEFORE OPENING THE SEAL.

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Adam Tate wrote:

Ruined in a day wrote:

...yes and if they have got a deluxe set - what is the catalogue number printed on the spine? If the catalogue number is the same for the 2 versions - maybe some kind person can weigh their deluxe set including all inserts (so can tell which version mine is without breaking the seal).

good idea from adman over at JDcentral.

deluxe set weighs 833 gramms.

...well if my scales are correct the Standard set weighs slightly less than 700 grams.

BTW I am Adman at JDCentral - the info is too late to help me but may help some one else.

IMPORTANT BEWARE NOTE - IF YOU ARE IN ANY DOUBT WEIGH YOUR BOX BEFORE OPENING THE SEAL.

I think, it makes no difference, opened or not opened. If they can't see the difference, why should a stupid buyer do that.

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Chrisbaerchen Infos: 5186595937 on spine Barcode: 5 051865 959373

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Chris's Number

5186595937 on spine Barcode: 5 051865 959373

especially for Adam

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confusion wrote:

Adam Tate wrote:

Ruined in a day wrote:

...yes and if they have got a deluxe set - what is the catalogue number printed on the spine? If the catalogue number is the same for the 2 versions - maybe some kind person can weigh their deluxe set including all inserts (so can tell which version mine is without breaking the seal).

good idea from adman over at JDcentral.

deluxe set weighs 833 gramms.

...well if my scales are correct the Standard set weighs slightly less than 700 grams.

BTW I am Adman at JDCentral - the info is too late to help me but may help some one else.

IMPORTANT BEWARE NOTE - IF YOU ARE IN ANY DOUBT WEIGH YOUR BOX BEFORE OPENING THE SEAL.

I think, it makes no difference, opened or not opened. If they can't see the difference, why should a stupid buyer do that.

...well I agree you shouldn't "have" to weigh the box. However, Rhino have stated that if you break the seal you won't get a refund. Therefore it maybe wise not to break the seal unless you have to. I am still going to push for a refund even though I have broken the seal now.

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When you get an item you must open to control it.What will you do when were all records are exactly the same one.You never find it out when you have it still closed.

They must do a refund and they should think about their complete disaster distribution.I will dont accept anything else as sending me a deluxe set.The Standart set you can get in a month for halfpric.I m sure.

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Adam Tate wrote: ...well I agree you shouldn't "have" to weigh the box. However, Rhino have stated that if you break the seal you won't get a refund. Therefore it maybe wise not to break the seal unless you have to. I am still going to push for a refund even though I have broken the seal now.

I am not going to send the standard box set back, if they can't deliver the confirmed one. It's german right, they have to pay a compensation then. I would see the received one as part of the compensation.

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I've bought the iTunes Lp. Nice interview with Stephen about the whole thing. On initial listen the remastering seems pretty good. Certainly as good as Recycle. I have ordered the Standard boxset from HMV (which states it is on pre-order - 13th December release). Who Knows? Amazon and HMV both said 6th but then seemed to put it back. I don't trust Rhino so haven't ordered from that shower of shiteheads.

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So...

Product code on invoice: 5052498378371 'Product code' (presumably) on spine: 5186595937 EAN: 5051865959373 Weight: +/- (ha!) 700g

What do I have?

Oh and here's the email I've written to Warner Customer Services (not yet sent):

Hello,

I received a copy of the Joy Division +- boxset today. I have a feeling that the copy I have received is the 'standard', not the 'deluxe' version I ordered.

The delivery invoice says that the 'Product number' should be 5052498378371, which matches the product code for the 'deluxe' version on the Rhino website: http://www.rhino.co.uk/store/products,-plus-minus-deluxe\_39547.htm

However, the number on the spine of the box is 5186595937. This matches the product code for the 'standard' version on the Rhino website: http://www.rhino.co.uk/store/products,-plus-minus-standard\_39546.htm

The EAN number (the one on the barcode) is 5051865959373.

Your returns policy states that you will not accept any returns that have been opened. It would seem the only way I have to clarify which version I have is to open the box, thus forfeiting my right of return should this prove to be the wrong item.

As you are no doubt aware from your inbox, I am not the only customer in this situation. I refer you to this messageboard thread just in case: http://neworderonline.com/Forums/MessageList.aspx?ThreadID=48783&PageIndex=1

I paid £75 to receive one of the first 500 of this boxset - the 'deluxe' version. That's what I expected to receive. Please can you clarify which version I have and if it is the 'standard' version, what I have to do to receive the correct one?

Thanks,

Mark

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Mark - I suspect sadly you have the Standard box as the weight and numbers on the box exactly match my Standard box.

I also suspect that Rhino will not be able to tell you what you have got.

I'm glad you wrote that Email. I have sent similar ones myself - the first one around lunchtime today - but have got no answers yet. I guess the Rhino Customer Service Team are busy!

I have hunted high and low on the net for a phone number for Rhino. I'd love to have a rant at someone.

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Not posted here for ages, but got my set today and when I saw the thread title I thought "Oh maybe I'm not the only one then?"

And yep...ordered deluxe, money taken at time of order, not despatch (always dodgy that) and got mine today and it's the standard one.

And if they think I'm paying the costs to send that back to Germany to get the right fricking thing I paid for they've got another thing coming.

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Statistics (updated)

NickName ordered/delivered

Confusion D/S 640 littleboylost D/S MNaD D/S jezk D/S Figurehead D/S 700 Adam Tate D/S Photosinferno D/S Ruined in a day D/D 428 Ger Boy D/S Chrisbaerchen D/D 396 Mark Benett D/S Big Man Restless D/S

D = De Luxe Boxset 75 GBP + P&P S = Standard Boxset 50 GBP + P&P

(If you have got a one of the boxsets, feel free to copy or quote the whole post and continue the list)

[Deleted Lordsy: (He was joking)]

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Thanks Adam. Thank God I didn't open it.

[hits send on email]

I'll let you know what I hear back.

Ta,

Mark

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It doesn't matter one bit if you have opened the box (to discover you have the wrong one), in regards to returning it. How else will you know you've been sent the wrong one? (yes I know you can weigh it, but...) The item is not as described, simple as. Straightforward refund or replacement (although I'm not sure what Rhino would replace it with).

I can't believe Rhino have fucked up AGAIN as well...

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Sadly I too have received the standard box set today when i was expecting the deluxe one I ordered. I suggest that Rhino/Warners need to forward the missing items to all customers who have been inconvenienced in this way. After all that's £25 difference in price and a lot of very loyal fans! Also I have to agree with the above member who commented that the overall quality of the package is a little poor. The 7" covers look quite unremarkable and a bit cheap in appearance and texture in contrast to the high quality we've always received from Joy Division releases in the past. Disapointing.... :(

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DOM KING wrote: The 7" covers look quite unremarkable and a bit cheap in appearance and texture in contrast to the high quality we've always received from Joy Division releases in the past. Disapointing.... :(

I should have realised this would have been the case after the poor job Rhino did with The Smiths 7" singles box set in 2008. The sleeves in that looked like mediocre versions of the Rough Trade originals.

I'm still waiting for my Deluxe box to arrive. Does anyone know how Rhino will replace the Standard boxes with the Deluxe ones when the Deluxe ones have sold out?

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I can't see how they will be able to do it unless they reprint and forward us the saville prints and repress more CD's. I suppose this will dilute the limited edition nature of the product but they will have to rectify this or risk losing a lot of future customers. I'm particularly keen to get hold of the cd versions of the remastered tracks as this is what I especially wanted the deluxe version for.

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Rhino release another NO/JD turd? Shock. Horror. I am a bit taken aback that some fans are still surprised at all this as there has not been a truly decent JD/NO reissue for the best part of a decade. Truly, where will it end?

If you're lucky enough to own a large selection of the original Factory releases then hold them close to your bosom... they are truly as good as it gets. None and I do mean none of this Warners/Rhino stuff will be worth much in years to come from a collectable sense.

There, I've said it :shrug:

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uk buyers - see sales of goods act as below:and distance selling regs even further down :

Consumer Fact SheetsSale of Goods Act Fact Sheet Subject: Sale of Goods Act, Faulty Goods.

Relevant or Related Legislation: Sale of Goods Act 1979. Supply of Goods and Services Act 1982. Sale and Supply of Goods Act 1994. The Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Regulations 2002.

Key Facts: • Wherever goods are bought they must "conform to contract". This means they must be as described, fit for purpose and of satisfactory quality (i.e. not inherently faulty at the time of sale).

• Goods are of satisfactory quality if they reach the standard that a reasonable person would regard as satisfactory, taking into account the price and any description.

• Aspects of quality include fitness for purpose, freedom from minor defects, appearance and finish, durability and safety.

• It is the seller, not the manufacturer, who is responsible if goods do not conform to contract.

• If goods do not conform to contract at the time of sale, purchasers can request their money back "within a reasonable time". (This is not defined and will depend on circumstances)

• For up to six years after purchase (five years from discovery in Scotland) purchasers can demand damages (which a court would equate to the cost of a repair or replacement).

• A purchaser who is a consumer, i.e. is not buying in the course of a business, can alternatively request a repair or replacement.

• If repair and replacement are not possible or too costly, then the consumer can seek a partial refund, if they have had some benefit from the good, or a full refund if the fault/s have meant they have enjoyed no benefit

• In general, the onus is on all purchasers to prove the goods did not conform to contract (e.g. was inherently faulty) and should have reasonably lasted until this point in time (i.e. perishable goods do not last for six years).

• If a consumer chooses to request a repair or replacement, then for the first six months after purchase it will be for the retailer to prove the goods did conform to contract (e.g. were not inherently faulty)

• After six months and until the end of the six years, it is for the consumer to prove the lack of conformity.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http://www.berr.gov.uk/whatwedo/consumers/fact-sheets/page38311.html

distance selling regulations:

Cancellation period in the case of contracts for the supply of goods 11.—(1) For the purposes of regulation 10, the cancellation period in the case of contracts for the supply of goods begins with the day on which the contract is concluded and ends as provided in paragraphs (2) to (5).

(2) Where the supplier complies with regulation 8, the cancellation period ends on the expiry of the period of seven working days beginning with the day after the day on which the consumer receives the goods.

(3) Where a supplier who has not complied with regulation 8 provides to the consumer the information referred to in regulation 8(2), and does so in writing or in another durable medium available and accessible to the consumer, within the period of three months beginning with the day after the day on which the consumer receives the goods, the cancellation period ends on the expiry of the period of seven working days beginning with the day after the day on which the consumer receives the information.

(4) Where neither paragraph (2) nor (3) applies, the cancellation period ends on the expiry of the period of three months and seven working days beginning with the day after the day on which the consumer receives the goods.

(5) In the case of contracts for goods for delivery to third parties, paragraphs (2) to (4) shall apply as if the consumer had received the goods on the day on which they were received by the third party.

http://www.oft.gov.uk/about-the-oft/legal-powers/legal/distance-selling-regulations/

:nuts: THE CONSUMER CHAMPION! SEE ME ON WATHDOG NEXT WEEK !

Seriously though,i didn't order the box set as i knew if would be a fuck up from the start!

hope the peeps who got the wrong boxes get the right ones,use the info above thats what it's there for!

best of luck peeps :thumb:

:nuts:

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