Joy Division plusminus-Deluxe Boxset Buyers will get the missing items

Norbert - another to add to your list

Box set just arrived - ordered deluxe - received standard

already emailed warners with pdf of invoice stating deluxe

"Just got this update email from Rhino :-

"the missing items to upgrade the Joy Devision Plus Minus + - Standard Box to a Deluxe Box are on their way to our warehouse and will be sent out to you as soon as possible.

We apologize most sincerely for the long wainting time!""

I haven't received this email which I find a bit worrying. How are Rhino going to know who to send the deluxe contents to? Everyone who ordered the deluxe version? Or only people who contact them to say they didn't receive the right version?

I ordered the posh one, but nothing arrived here.

I've not got a record player anyway. What are they going to do about that? eh???

Pablo Bastardo wrote: I ordered the posh one, but nothing arrived here.

I've not got a record player anyway. What are they going to do about that? eh???

Just received an email from Rhino/Warners:

"If you stop Pablo Bastardo from posting on NOOL, we'll send him a record player (deluxe)"

What should I do now?

The Shadow wrote:

Johnny Giles wrote: Well done Dave, that's where the +- comes from.

Can't wait to receive the CDs, what with all that new Joy Division material. Its like Xmas and my birthday all at once. This is soooooooo important.

Is there actually new material on the CD's? Made a big error in just gettign the standard if thats the case. What are they different versions of the tracks you geto on the 7"'s?

New material? The band is dead 30 years ago! Such a "logistical" nightmare for a 10*7" box set and a password to download the same tracks in mp3. A bit silly!!

I'm glad to have bought anything.

I don't know if I've missed it but what about the main reason for ordering the Deluxe set, the limited Saville art product? Is it all that?

The paper on the 7" sleeves, just standard cheap mass market paper? The labels on the vinyl, any creativity there? No special messages in the end grooves? I suppose people assumed that since Saville at least had some involvement in the project, there would be something above average other than it being very expensive.

Poor sods you guys....luckily I was too busy to know abt this JD box before it got sold out..otherwise I would have been caught in same situation with you guys. My anxiety would have been ten times worse due to my location in Oz - far away in the áss'end of the world.

Anyway when I learnt that those first 500 were sold out, I didnt bother getting the standard...hoping they'll go the same fate as those rhino's JD albums memory boxset'...I got one of those for a quarter of the price recently, having mustered the patience to wait 3 years :D

Poor sods you guys....luckily I was too busy to know abt this JD box before it got sold out..otherwise I would have been caught in same situation with you guys. My anxiety would have been ten times worse due to my location in Oz - far away in the áss'end of the world.

Anyway when I learnt that those first 500 were sold out, I didnt bother getting the standard...hoping they'll go the same fate as those rhino's JD albums memory boxset'...I got one of those for a quarter of the price recently, having mustered the patience to wait 3 years :D

The paper on the 7" sleeves, just standard cheap mass market paper? The labels on the vinyl, any creativity there? No special messages in the end grooves? I suppose people assumed that since Saville at least had some involvement in the project, there would be something above average other than it being very expensive.

This is the same Saville who designed a load of blank albums for the LP boxset and a plain white album sleeve with large orange letters 'N' & 'O' on it etc etc. Frankly I'm not too sure what was expected on the design front, his style is and always has been a deceptively minimalisitic approach. Don't mistake that for 'cheapness'.

As for the price, this is more to do with market forces and the price of pressing limited vinyl these days. When they could easily shift 10-20K of any release you can afford to do more. A vinyl album these days can often retail at £20-25, which seems an awful lot compared to the £3.99 you'd see in the 80s.

johnny james wrote:

The paper on the 7" sleeves, just standard cheap mass market paper? The labels on the vinyl, any creativity there? No special messages in the end grooves? I suppose people assumed that since Saville at least had some involvement in the project, there would be something above average other than it being very expensive.

This is the same Saville who designed a load of blank albums for the LP boxset and a plain white album sleeve with large orange letters 'N' & 'O' on it etc etc. Frankly I'm not too sure what was expected on the design front, his style is and always has been a deceptively minimalisitic approach. Don't mistake that for 'cheapness'.

As for the price, this is more to do with market forces and the price of pressing limited vinyl these days. When they could easily shift 10-20K of any release you can afford to do more. A vinyl album these days can often retail at £20-25, which seems an awful lot compared to the £3.99 you'd see in the 80s.

And how many people living in 2010 actually own equipment in their homes to play the vinyl? Are record players really selling more than CD players or mp3 players these days? Do cars often have record players in them instead of other audio? I doubt it. I'm not slagging off vinyl, by the way.

I could imagine some of the older people might have record players. Maybe some vinyl fans might actually buy a record player to play what they own. As a young person, I don't know anyone my age who owns a record player, or vinyl for that matter. Not even people my parents age own record players any more. So maybe they have higher prices because fewer people buy vinyl compared to mp3s or CDs (and even people aren't buying CDs massively these days, either).

That's the market forces I was on about. Vinyl is now a specialist format, not even on sale in HMV anymore (practically the UK's only record shop chain now).

Mine has arrived but standard version rather than deluxe..

My JD +- box

Rhino.. not replied to email Warner Distributors got standard - you'll get the deluxe bits to add to your standard package..

Shocking service really!

Vote with your feet chums and boycott the pair of 'em.

johnny james wrote:

The paper on the 7" sleeves, just standard cheap mass market paper? The labels on the vinyl, any creativity there? No special messages in the end grooves? I suppose people assumed that since Saville at least had some involvement in the project, there would be something above average other than it being very expensive.

This is the same Saville who designed a load of blank albums for the LP boxset and a plain white album sleeve with large orange letters 'N' & 'O' on it etc etc. Frankly I'm not too sure what was expected on the design front, his style is and always has been a deceptively minimalisitic approach. Don't mistake that for 'cheapness'.

As for the price, this is more to do with market forces and the price of pressing limited vinyl these days. When they could easily shift 10-20K of any release you can afford to do more. A vinyl album these days can often retail at £20-25, which seems an awful lot compared to the £3.99 you'd see in the 80s.

I just mean that people are saying they are not impressed with the whole package and sleeves. Factory usually had unique and above average productions, hardly run of the mill. Saville has seemed less interested the last decade anyway, but Joy Division and Saville together can't help but make one compare this to Factory Records.

0_o wrote:

johnny james wrote:

The paper on the 7" sleeves, just standard cheap mass market paper? The labels on the vinyl, any creativity there? No special messages in the end grooves? I suppose people assumed that since Saville at least had some involvement in the project, there would be something above average other than it being very expensive.

This is the same Saville who designed a load of blank albums for the LP boxset and a plain white album sleeve with large orange letters 'N' & 'O' on it etc etc. Frankly I'm not too sure what was expected on the design front, his style is and always has been a deceptively minimalisitic approach. Don't mistake that for 'cheapness'.

As for the price, this is more to do with market forces and the price of pressing limited vinyl these days. When they could easily shift 10-20K of any release you can afford to do more. A vinyl album these days can often retail at £20-25, which seems an awful lot compared to the £3.99 you'd see in the 80s.

I just mean that people are saying they are not impressed with the whole package and sleeves. Factory usually had unique and above average productions, hardly run of the mill. Saville has seemed less interested the last decade anyway, but Joy Division and Saville together can't help but make one compare this to Factory Records.

.. I agree that the design of this box sucks. I hate the way they have photographed the original sleeves (some of which are none too mint). The new single with the picture of the Closer sleeve is particularly poorly done with a shadow on the right edge and no corresponding edges on the other 3 sides. Looks appalling in my opinion - a kid with a cheap scanner and Photoshop could've done a better job.

i think the outside of the box is actually really nice. it's clean, a bit random and typically jd.

the inside is NOT typically jd but i dont see why its such a problem tbh. it's a bit different, i actually quite like it... i dont own the originals but now i have a great reference to go by! it reminds me of a time that was and that will never be again......... not trying to be the original or better than, like some bands/artists try and do... audibly it is superior but packaging wise to me it says this was then, it cant be repeated, lets just enjoy the music.

and so i shall!

Full Rhino explanation of sorry saga here:-

http://nolanguagejustsound.com/

...as we suspected there will ultimately be more Deluxe bits in circulation. Also some lucky people who already have Deluxe bits will get 2 sets.

to be honest i think you have to give them credit for posting that... it does appear that they got messed about....

i get the feeling that that certain ppl here are going to hate on them either way, which is a shame i think... but oh well.

Yes fairplay to them for posting that not often big corporation hold their hands up (despite the fact that they are firmly pointing the finger at their contracted companies) :-

"We are very sorry about this situation. It’s embarrassing for us, especially considering we spent such a long time ensuring that the product was mistake free. We painstakingly researched facts and figures, we visited Manchester, Stephen, Hooky and involved Jon Savage and Peter Saville to get it all right. We have been let down at the last hurdle by a company meant to perform the simplest of actions. Please accept our apologies."

Rhino UK

Pretty thorough explanation but no indication as to when these deluxe contents are going to be dispatched. I hope it is in time for Xmas.

Clive Snippers wrote: Pretty thorough explanation but no indication as to when these deluxe contents are going to be dispatched. I hope it is in time for Xmas.

Why is it a present?

Which combination would be the most collectable issue? This is hilarious.

i honestly think its quite commendable that they r coming clean about all of tihs! it makes a pleasant change... i'm not sure whats hilarious about it though!

Adam Tate wrote: Full Rhino explanation of sorry saga here:-

http://nolanguagejustsound.com/

...as we suspected there will ultimately be more Deluxe bits in circulation. Also some lucky people who already have Deluxe bits will get 2 sets.

Surely if there was a bright red removable sticker on each box stating whether it was a Standard or Deluxe version all this confusion and finger pointing could have been avoided,so I would blame Cinram for that not Arvato.In the explanation given they do admit that both boxes looked quite similar to each other. Also the "Saville Perspex art object" is a piece of plastic with a +- on it,wow!

James Thomas wrote:

Why is it a present?

Which combination would be the most collectable issue? This is hilarious.

1. Yes. Christmas is coming up. Next week.

2. I guess the deluxe issue would be more collectable as there are only 500(ish) of them.

3. What is hilarious?

cranelane wrote:

Also the "Saville Perspex art object" is a piece of plastic with a +- on it,wow!

best thing about the box. honestly. gonna frame it.

How do you know your copy is 640/5000? mine has no such numbering - I was told the only numbering was on the Saville Art inserts..?!

More and more I am convinced that New Order / Joy Division catalogue would have been better in hands of an independent label. I think Mute would have handled the whole campaign better.

Clive Snippers wrote: 3. What is hilarious?

The whole sorry campaign (and this is despite the fact that I was gullible enough to order one)! :p