Joy Division plusminus-Deluxe Boxset Buyers will get the missing items

|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: More and more I am convinced that New Order / Joy Division catalogue would have been better in hands of an independent label. I think Mute would have handled the whole campaign better.

Mute are not entirely independent, they were part of EMI from 2002-2009 and are still in some way connected (the name is licensed back for instance).

Rockman wrote: How do you know your copy is 640/5000? mine has no such numbering - I was told the only numbering was on the Saville Art inserts..?!

It's on the inner tracklisting/detail insert card.Bottom left hand corner is the number - ?/5000.

altho obviously the new order f'ups are the fault of the label, it does seem a bit unfair to 100% blame rhino on this one.....

i would like to c some of u do a better job, because i don't think i could. i know it cant b that hard but there must be a reason that these mistakes happen and rhino specific have a history of good box-sets. i have the smiths box-set and this is as good a quality, just a delivery problem! and seriously the remastering here is tip top..... better than recycle. i dont mean to be romantic about it all but i just dont understand the adoration for some1 doing it for free via recycle when the band have a go and ppl get the arse as if they are insulting the fanbase by doin so. bit of a poisonous attitude on here sometimes.

Just had this from warners - wonder what the special compensation gift is.....and who are "Joy Devision" LOL

Thanks for your message.

We regret to inform you that we are not able to send you the Joy Devision Plus Minus Deluxe Box due to delivery problems in a timely manner.

The only way to make sure that you will receive your complete order in time for Christmas is to send you the replacement parts to upgrade your standard to a deluxe boxset.

We assure that the deluxe boxset is the same as the standard box with the extra elements you will be sent.

Additionally we will be sending you a special compensation gift in the new year.

Please accept our sincere apologies for any convenience this has caused you.

Kind regards

Warner Music Artist Customer Service Team

Chesty wrote: altho obviously the new order f'ups are the fault of the label, it does seem a bit unfair to 100% blame rhino on this one.....

i would like to c some of u do a better job, because i don't think i could. i know it cant b that hard but there must be a reason that these mistakes happen and rhino specific have a history of good box-sets. i have the smiths box-set and this is as good a quality, just a delivery problem! and seriously the remastering here is tip top..... better than recycle. i dont mean to be romantic about it all but i just dont understand the adoration for some1 doing it for free via recycle when the band have a go and ppl get the arse as if they are insulting the fanbase by doin so. bit of a poisonous attitude on here sometimes.

The Smiths box-set was a joke; it wasn't even a complete document of the singles.

If Recycle would of posted their Material in Lossless instead of MP4's, you would find their work is better.

Nobody has a problem with the band getting paid, I want to see them get paid; but the JD and NO releases keep getting fucked up. This is just another example on so many fronts. As far as JD releases, the audio on the box-set was fucked up, the 2007 reissues were fucked up, and so on. This material has been available for 30 years, and you will find that the original releases have the best SQ.

That is why, what Recycle does is very welcomed by most. I think you will find, since you are a Smith's fan, that the recycle work on the Smiths will be much more comprehensive then your cherished box-set; you will also find unreleased material that you won't find on your box-set, and if the audio was posted in lossless, you would find it's better then the box-set. I don;t know about you, but when I buy a box-set that collects the singles; I want all the singles, not a fragmented example.

What did you think of the Joy Division Recycle Chesty? Do you happen to notice the pitch corrected tracks, unreleased material, the artwork, the audio? The recycle destroys that Vinyl Box-sex.

Darkman wrote:

The Smiths box-set was a joke; it wasn't even a complete document of the singles.

ok.... but at no point did it pretend it was !? there is obviously enough for at LEAST another smiths vinyl box??? if n e one had said its the comprehemsive collection then i would understand ur point here but as they haven't i'm not sure what it is.

Darkman wrote: If Recycle would of posted their Material in Lossless instead of MP4's, you would find their work is better.

well in which case i guess ur argument needs to go to johnny marr and stephen morris not the label as they did the mastering ! again i just dont by this... if the label has original tapes and are using a proper studio and have the band in tow.... and recycle is someone who was not there when it wasw ritten or originally recorded... again i dont buy.

Darkman wrote: Nobody has a problem with the band getting paid, I want to see them get paid; but the JD and NO releases keep getting fucked up. This is just another example on so many fronts. As far as JD releases, the audio on the box-set was fucked up, the 2007 reissues were fucked up, and so on. This material has been available for 30 years, and you will find that the original releases have the best SQ.

ok. fair point on getting paid. pls can u elaborate on the box-set fuck up??? we do not need to discuss new order. in all honesty tho the mp3s i have heard from the new set (the official ones) sound amazing and i have to disagree.... although obviously it is personal prefernce on that front.

Darkman wrote: That is why, what Recycle does is very welcomed by most.

most. not all. and most importantly for me there is radio silence from the bands..... if they advocate it i will accept but if they have a problem with it then im afraid i do 2.

Darkman wrote: I think you will find, since you are a Smith's fan, that the recycle work on the Smiths will be much more comprehensive then your cherished box-set; you will also find unreleased material that you won't find on your box-set, and if the audio was posted in lossless, you would find it's better then the box-set..

well again here i do have to disagree. comprehensive maybe as we have already discussed. unreleased, again maybe because there is no doubt plenty of material that is unreleased by smiths... but audio quality, i think u have to accept that the work johnny marr did was amazing on sound of the smiths..... i erally cant accept that anyone else could do better. end. back to original tapes and band member influences...

Darkman wrote: I don;t know about you, but when I buy a box-set that collects the singles; I want all the singles, not a fragmented example.

well yes i agree in part on that. although i dread to think how new order will be broken down!! 5 boxsets no doubt. no bad thing..... proibably cost a bomb.

Darkman wrote: What did you think of the Joy Division Recycle Chesty? Do you happen to notice the pitch corrected tracks, unreleased material, the artwork, the audio? The recycle destroys that Vinyl Box-sex.

i think it is a nice idea... but its not legit... and i am not a file sharer. if tracks need pitch correctin i find it weird that no-1 has ever done it before. unreleased material nice. artwork....... not saville, not interested...

and again. i do disagree. the vinyl box set mp3s sound amazin.

and breathe!!!

Chesty wrote:

Darkman wrote:

The Smiths box-set was a joke; it wasn't even a complete document of the singles.

ok.... but at no point did it pretend it was !? there is obviously enough for at LEAST another smiths vinyl box??? if n e one had said its the comprehemsive collection then i would understand ur point here but as they haven't i'm not sure what it is.

Darkman wrote: If Recycle would of posted their Material in Lossless instead of MP4's, you would find their work is better.

well in which case i guess ur argument needs to go to johnny marr and stephen morris not the label as they did the mastering ! again i just dont by this... if the label has original tapes and are using a proper studio and have the band in tow.... and recycle is someone who was not there when it wasw ritten or originally recorded... again i dont buy.

Darkman wrote: Nobody has a problem with the band getting paid, I want to see them get paid; but the JD and NO releases keep getting fucked up. This is just another example on so many fronts. As far as JD releases, the audio on the box-set was fucked up, the 2007 reissues were fucked up, and so on. This material has been available for 30 years, and you will find that the original releases have the best SQ.

ok. fair point on getting paid. pls can u elaborate on the box-set fuck up??? we do not need to discuss new order. in all honesty tho the mp3s i have heard from the new set (the official ones) sound amazing and i have to disagree.... although obviously it is personal prefernce on that front.

Darkman wrote: That is why, what Recycle does is very welcomed by most.

most. not all. and most importantly for me there is radio silence from the bands..... if they advocate it i will accept but if they have a problem with it then im afraid i do 2.

To each their own!

Darkman wrote: I think you will find, since you are a Smith's fan, that the recycle work on the Smiths will be much more comprehensive then your cherished box-set; you will also find unreleased material that you won't find on your box-set, and if the audio was posted in lossless, you would find it's better then the box-set..

well again here i do have to disagree. comprehensive maybe as we have already discussed. unreleased, again maybe because there is no doubt plenty of material that is unreleased by smiths... but audio quality, i think u have to accept that the work johnny marr did was amazing on sound of the smiths..... i erally cant accept that anyone else could do better. end. back to original tapes and band member influences...

Darkman wrote: I don;t know about you, but when I buy a box-set that collects the singles; I want all the singles, not a fragmented example.

well yes i agree in part on that. although i dread to think how new order will be broken down!! 5 boxsets no doubt. no bad thing..... proibably cost a bomb.

Darkman wrote: What did you think of the Joy Division Recycle Chesty? Do you happen to notice the pitch corrected tracks, unreleased material, the artwork, the audio? The recycle destroys that Vinyl Box-sex.

i think it is a nice idea... but its not legit... and i am not a file sharer. if tracks need pitch correctin i find it weird that no-1 has ever done it before. unreleased material nice. artwork....... not saville, not interested...

and again. i do disagree. the vinyl box set mp3s sound amazin.

and breathe!!!

You said the Smiths box was "rhino specific have a history of good box-sets. i have the smiths box-set and this is as good a quality" Again that Smiths box is a joke; a fragment of the singles. You said it was good quaitly, I say it's shit! Really you want another vinyl box-set...lmfao

I'm not arguing the band, but you Sir! Why in the world would someone who works on the audio need to be there when the material was recorded; all they need is the proper equipment, sources, and good ears! With that logic, I could see why you don’t buy it.

The audio on the box-set is all fucked up; not even close to the original master done by Hannett. Don't even get me started on the 2007 reissues; the albums and gigs were a complete mess.

I'm not talking about the original mastering; I'm talking about a complete document; with extra's. All that material has been released. I think what this boils down to is, your the type of fan who will keep buying the same old shit time after time; don't you ever want to hear anything new?

Talking about JD vinyl box, not NO. I don't think it would be 5 box sets; but yeah if they were vinyl you would buy them..

Lmfao...the original artwork was used. And as for the pitch corrected tracks, them being recorded at the wrong speed was never caught; and now fixed. Stranger things have happened. What you think that a record company doesn't make mistakes.......

If you want shitty MP3's that lose SoundQuality, then that is your choice. I will take Lossless over mp3 any day.

Regarding the pitch correction done to Dead Souls et al, it's only a supposition that it was an original mistake to be corrected. The pitch they were put out originally could well have been the band and label's intention all along (and yes I know that they're not in concert pitch).

johnny james wrote: Regarding the pitch correction done to Dead Souls et al, it's only a supposition that it was an original mistake to be corrected. The pitch they were put out originally could well have been the band and label's intention all along (and yes I know that they're not in concert pitch).

Very true, and that is a great point. But "these days" and ice age" were a complete mess, and needed to be fixed. I honestly like the original un-corrected version "Dead Souls" to the pitich corrected one.

Darkman wrote:

You said the Smiths box was "rhino specific have a history of good box-sets. i have the smiths box-set and this is as good a quality" Again that Smiths box is a joke; a fragment of the singles. You said it was good quaitly, I say it's shit! Really you want another vinyl box-set...lmfao

well now you are just repeatin yourself, and subsequently i have to aswell... as i said above, its obviously not all the singles. and i really am genuinely quite happy with it. if you dont like it then i'm not laughing at you for that, ur attitude seems to be quite piss poor..... i can do what i want with my money, if what i buy is not to your taste then... surely, we must be different people!?? oh wait... so to re-iterate my point... i think the smiths box was beautiful. not complete, but great. i think this box is nothing short of that one in terms of quality............

Darkman wrote:

I'm not arguing the band, but you Sir! Why in the world would someone who works on the audio need to be there when the material was recorded; all they need is the proper equipment, sources, and good ears! With that logic, I could see why you don’t buy it.

well u say this but u appear to have issue with the mastering in general and that is done by marr/morris. my logic is the best availalbe / original source tapes in th ebest equipped studio available wit some1 who was there 1st time and knows what it shoudl soun dlike.... it seems that ur point is that the aforemention method is not the ebst way of doin it but i just do not c how that can be.

Darkman wrote:

The audio on the box-set is all fucked up; not even close to the original master done by Hannett. Don't even get me started on the 2007 reissues; the albums and gigs were a complete mess.

sorry what box set do u mean?

Darkman wrote:

I'm not talking about the original mastering; I'm talking about a complete document; with extra's. All that material has been released. I think what this boils down to is, your the type of fan who will keep buying the same old shit time after time; don't you ever want to hear anything new?

other ppl on this board have mentiond that the band r involved with the box sets/catalog. i do not believe that a lable wld not cash in where possible... so there must be a reason that extra contend is not available???

Darkman wrote:

Talking about JD vinyl box, not NO. I don't think it would be 5 box sets; but yeah if they were vinyl you would buy them..

yes. i proably would if i 4ght some effort had been put into them like this 1..... and i dont really see the problem with that. i can afford to, i want to, and again, its my money.....

Darkman wrote:

Lmfao...the original artwork was used. And as for the pitch corrected tracks, them being recorded at the wrong speed was never caught; and now fixed. Stranger things have happened. What you think that a record company doesn't make mistakes.......

If you want shitty MP3's that lose SoundQuality, then that is your choice. I will take Lossless over mp3 any day.

did saville consult on recycle artwork ?? no. would he approve ? probably not. not official. irrelevant.

i am dubious of pithc correctons. i honestl ythink that it wld have been fixed given the amount of remasters ??

....and i did not say i wanted mp3s.... i said they sounded good... who wld pcik mp3s over losless if given choice???

to be honest dude.... u seem to be one of those poisonous ppl on here... maybe u have nothin better to do than hitler ur way round a half deserted msg board. i am quite happy with my box-set!!!

Message to Chesty and Darkman,you both might want to check this out..Link

lol! i thought her name was mavis bacon for a moment there..... would hav ebeen better! :)

Chesty wrote:

to be honest dude.... u seem to be one of those poisonous ppl on here... maybe u have nothin better to do than hitler ur way round a half deserted msg board.

Thank you. I am a very poisonous person; you hit the nail on the head! And when it comes to you; I'm very Hitler....lmfao

Ordered Standard and got standard (0025/5000).

Standard Box Set selling already on EIL.com for £70:00, but then I've gone and opened mine!

Tim

Received the box set at last. Number 43 but I only ordered the standard box. Number 1-500 were meant to be the deluxe ones. Wonder if that means I will be getting the extras? Anyway I like the look of the box and the singles sound great, being a big vinyl lover this is a decent box set for me as about 6 of the 7";s I only had on CD. It is expensive but in my opinion a good way to celebrate 30 years since ICB. An nice keep safe to add to the collection.

Numbers 1-500 are now a mixture since they've had to cannibalize them.

tghe statement says that any1 who ordered a deluxe will now be -1 to -500

Darkman wrote:

Chesty wrote:

to be honest dude.... u seem to be one of those poisonous ppl on here... maybe u have nothin better to do than hitler ur way round a half deserted msg board.

Thank you. I am a very poisonous person; you hit the nail on the head! And when it comes to you; I'm very Hitler....lmfao

nothing personal mate, but seriously i dont get ur attitude.

Chesty wrote: tghe statement says that any1 who ordered a deluxe will now be -1 to -500

That's for all the ones who didn't get one originally in the 1-500 range. That said when they send out the replacements to everyone then some people will have two numbers.

makes sense to me..... basically the range is now -500 to 5000, 500 people will have multiple numbers; maybe rhino could do a number amnesty or somethin...... surrender ur old number and get an mp3!

Ordered Deluxe, received Standard today...

Yes me too.

Still no record player, either.

Just spoken to someone responsible for Rhino at Warners in London. He says the deluxe contents will be sent out this week. And they're coming from Arvato in Germany like the box itself. So my guess is, it might arrive in time for Xmas, it might not. And it's coming via UPS. So woe betide if you're not in when they call or you'll be picking it up from their depot 30-40 miles away.

Oh, and he didn't know anything about nolanguagejustsound.com.

Re UPS - after their failed attempt to get me at home I phoned them to change the delivery to my work - all handled very efficiently

Clive Snippers wrote: Just spoken to someone responsible for Rhino at Warners in London. He says the deluxe contents will be sent out this week. And they're coming from Arvato in Germany like the box itself. So my guess is, it might arrive in time for Xmas, it might not. And it's coming via UPS. So woe betide if you're not in when they call or you'll be picking it up from their depot 30-40 miles away.

Oh, and he didn't know anything about nolanguagejustsound.com.

Another funny thing is that UK Buyers have P&P free for parcels from Germany. German Buyers had to pay 12 quid for P&P. But now we know why P&P was so expensive.

Nick King wrote: Ordered Deluxe, received Standard today...

Just got mine... Not opened it yet... Can you remind me what I'm looking for re: deluxe..?

a sticker on the back

Don't bother... Just saw the code... Standard... Why do we bother..? Even when / if they do send the missing bits I'll still feel wronged because my box will have the wrong code...

the mighty boosh wrote:

Just got mine... Not opened it yet... Can you remind me what I'm looking for re: deluxe..?

it will have cd's & the art piece inside it

hope this helps